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Our fine leader never said it was a hoax.  

I can answer how god would feel about that. He is sovereign and controls all things.  Death is the punishment for sin.  God is a just God and must have justice.  Death was not introduced until adam and eve sinned, punishable by death.  It is the penalty for all sin, and the reason jesus had to die to pay our debt so that we can live even after life here on earth is over if we just have faith.  Something I have a good understanding about and causes me to have no fear of things like these.  If Jesus should suffer the way he did for us then why should we escape that suffering as sinners.  If you think man controls things like this, global warming, natural disasters, etc. then I feel sorry for you.  These things are much bigger than man.  Again, I am not suggesting we be wreckless, but to be in such a state of panic is to show little faith and to live in sin.  Everyone has the choice to go into hiding until this is over if you are that fearful.  It's just not for me.  At least not yet.  

I dont understand your point on the pathagorean theorem or gravity.  God created gravity, and gave the wisdom of math and numbers to us. Not sure why we need to avoid them.  They are good things given to us.  Death is a necessity, brought on ourselves.  

One positive about all of my new free time----------I love having fun with complete morons.  I may actually enjoy retirement someday after all!!

Everybody in Pennsylvania knows the undisputed scientific fact that methanol fumes kill all viruses on contact

Sorry, couldn't resist

Are you sure? Governors in NY, Jersey & Ct. just shut down all bars, gyms, movie theaters  & restaurants

Yeah, was hoping for an answer that wasn't this. To each their own, I suppose. I respect your ability to believe and practice whatever faith you choose until it puts others at risk, which is the case here. You may hold yourself to that and believe it is true for all, but you cannot determine their fate for them as many do not share your beliefs. I'd assume you'd agree in regards to religious-based terror attacks, no?

I think we should just follow Japan's lead.    They're obviously much smarter people, as evidenced by the fact that they build much better cars than we do... 

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

My math is as bad as your geography. Lincoln Speedway is not in Allegheny County like you stated in another post.

Nobody is forced to go out in "harms" way.  I am not trying to force that on you either but you think your beliefs should be forced on me.  The main point is I am not causing anybody to be hurt.  I dont put you at risk.  You put you at risk.  You can avoid it if you just dont come near anyone until it's over.  Your choice.  That is what I would do if I thought my family or I were in great danger.  

He corrected himself and apologized.  He didn't delete it.  And no, your math is much worse than his geography.  

So you could have just said you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how COVID-19 spreads and we can all avoid this. Regardless of you wanting to believe it or not, you attending a large gathering is putting others at risk because you are increasing the chances of spreading the virus.

And yes - you're right in that I have the choice to avoid people until this passes. I consider myself lucky to have that option. However, there are many who do not, and ironically most of those who are most at risk - elderly, sick, etc. Be it doctor's appointments, reliance on others for basic necessities or errands, or whatever it may be. Or those with compromised immune systems, but again, it seems you lack basic understanding of the true issue at hand here, so I would imagine that doesn't matter. Great example of Hanlon's Razor here.

I live in reality and don't have enough of an ego to try and hide a mistake, and I'll definitely own up to them when they're made. 

You are part of the problem, even if you think you are "doing well", you can still carrying and spreading COVID-19. It is this mentality that is spinning this into oblivion.

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I don't know why I'll add my opinion to this cause it doesn't matter but I do believe the cats out of the bag. It's a virus with probably next to no cure. Sure we can treat it like influenza and get vaccines until it mutates into something slightly different. I feel standard precautions are best but letting it control our lives and liberties is crazy. We gave up nearly all of our liberties within a week. That's scary to think about. 
 

I have read, unsure if it's true so please feel free to fact check me, but the average age of death in Italy is 81 with this virus. When we look at it from that perspective is it really different than many other viruses? I understand it's early and mortality rates can not be used or compared but so far statistics show far more deaths occurring from common day activities and or sicknesses. So if your elderly or have a compromised immune system, by all means, take EXTREME caution. 
 

As for PA choosing to continue living life that's awesome. Enjoy it. Disagree or are living in fear please do not attend or tear down those who do. It is their choice for the risk. Coronavirus isn't a sickness that generally needs hospitalization so a huge fear of us rednecks overloading the hospitals seem silky.

The real issue is where these type of sicknesses originate from and how with next to no repercussions but that's going to be another issue for another day. 
 

Fire away. I may be way off base with my opinions and if so I'm am dearly sorry. I just feel like we will have more issues with people living differently in fear of the virus than actual harm done from having the virus. 

From the PA Governor:

The Wolf Administration strongly encourages the suspension of large gatherings, events, conferences of more than 10 people, and per White House guidelines, ask that individuals and groups cancel any gatherings planned over the next eight weeks.

A lot of the responsibility falls on the tracks who still continue to choose to run I believe.

Time is needed to develop treatments and/or vaccines. Some are apparently already being tested for quick deploying. And you said yourself - you can't use statistics at this point as we have no idea what the size of the infected group actually is. It could still go a lot of different ways - but places like WA and NY are increasing at an alarming rate. Other places are not - obviously, population and area saturation have a lot to do with that, among other factors. 

This is asking people to put a greater good in front of themselves for a short period of time so this thing doesn't run amuck while the situation is being analyzed - part of which is the aforementioned treatments or vaccines. It's not asking people to stay indoors forever. And again, many of the highest at-risk groups don't have a choice to take extreme caution.

I tend to ignore little quote images and things I see on Facebook and the likes, but I did see a really good quote on this attributed to I believe a high school superintendent. Paraphrasing it, it was something like "We may not ever know if we acted too aggressively or went too far, but it's better than finding out for certain we didn't do enough." Wise words to live by here.

I love having human conversations with people, so I won't fire away---I will answer as politely as you made your statement.

  I will just give you a couple of reasons why this is different than many other viruses.  The main reason it is different is we have seen it overwhelm other country's health care systems and hospitals without even touching the tip of their populations.  The rate SEEMS low for critical and serious illness, but it is HUGE compared to any other circulating virus in the population.  This would all be over in 45-60 days if we just "let it fly" and we would be back to "normal" by summer.  Unfortunately, that "normal" would include living without some people you know.  That normal would be knowing someone who was perfectly healthy having to go through therapy for years to get lung capacity back--if ever.  That normal would be health insurance premiums doubling (or worse) by next year because all health insurance companies would be on the verge of bankruptcy. 

I did the math in my little town of 3000 people.  If 20% (and thats a low estimate) contracted the virus, and 1% died (that's also a low estimate) 6 people in my little town of 3000 would die.  I would likely know all 6 of them.  Plus, if my math is correct, 102 of the 3000 residents would have severe/critical issues.  Guess what?  We don't even have a hospital.  The nearest hospital is in a town of 25,000 and they don't even have enough beds for OUR town let alone theirs. 

I used LOW numbers.  Let's use numbers from some Harvard "experts"----at 60% infection rate, and 3% death rate----are you ready for this----my little town of 3000 has 1800 infections (most mild), 306 people requiring hospitalization (which isn't even possible), and 54 deaths.  In a town of 3000.  Is that sobering enough for everyone?  I would likely know 30-40 of those 54 people as I was born and raised here.  

Now, before everyone freaks out too much, I don't think we are anywhere near 3% mortality rate.  However, that number goes up as available treatment declines----as in Italy.  It is already happening and has been for a couple of weeks.  More dead than necessary but they don't have the means to save them.  Spain is on its way to the same situation.  

South Korea is the good news.  Testing for EVERYONE.  Quick testing and turn arounds.  Tracking and tracing of all known contacts of positive patients.  The ironic thing?  Their shutdowns have not had to be near as drastic as Italy's.  Why, quick response.  Superior health care system.  Low death rate.  The actual death rate of this disease is reflected very well in 2 sample sizes.  1.  The Diamond Princess Cruise ship.  Death rate:  right at 1%.  Controlled population.  No mild cases escaped.  All cases counted.  696 infected passengers, which was 25% of the passengers on the boat.  7 deaths.  Assuming no more deaths, thats basically 1%.  2.  South Korea.  HUGE numbers of infected.  Low death rate---under 1% because higher percentage of the cases have been counted and they have kept the hospitals (for the most part) from being over run by prevention methods.  I am going to assume South Korea has missed 1/2 of the cases as well so this may only have a death rate of .5%. 

Now, .5%-1% actual death rate----this is way blown out of proportion, right?  Wrong.  Seasonal flu is usually less than .1% making this, at best case, 5-10 times more deadly than seasonal flu--assuming everyone gets the treatment required.  Wuhan China got the worst possible treatment possible for a 3.7% mortality rate.  Other parts of China were locked down and got the best possible treatment for a .7% mortality rate.  

Don't be blind to the facts that are right there for you to research how this is affecting other countries.  You can skirt our media if you don't trust it and go to the WHO site or many other sites tracking disease numbers.  I don't know where we went wrong in this country to get to a point where we feel we can trust NOTHING that is told to us.  Most of our news outlets simply vary on opinions.  The numbers coming from both sides of the media are identical----the only thing that varies it the rhetoric.  

The right thing to do right now?  Spend some time with your families and help the actual professional scientists---who have been preparing for a situation like this for decades---do their jobs.  

Peace out