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Knoxville has sent in tire samples in to check for doping. I believe it was last year that the results came back positive on one and a win was stripped. So we know at least some will do it periodically, but not often. If I am not mistaken the sample they take off the tread completely ruins the tire. Not a big deal for high dollar teams but this certainly wouldn't be appreciated by most lower budget teams. So not only does it cost the sanctioning body money to send it to the lab, but also the person being teched. Probably why we don't see it often.

I believe I saw officals taking samples off of cars during the Atomic Speedweek show during Ohio Speedweek which was just after the dream. Odd thing is I believe Bloomquist has everyone beat on body wieght by around 50-100lbs. You know they were trying to be as light as possible and pushing the envelop if his fat arse can't make weight across the scales whether the scales were off or not. The whole department of agriculture and DOT thing with the scales is news to me. It could be argued though that it was a month after the race had taken place when they were inspected with other events and cars going across after the dream that could have thrown off the scales. 

The damage of reputation is laughable though. To think I was actually thinking about going to the World 100 for the first time this year. Screw that if this is how these cry babies act when they lose. I know that prior instances wont matter into the case but it would not be the first time that Bloomquist has "cheated."

What's the world coming to.....cyclists, Russian olympians, now even the  dam race tires are on dope!

LOL! Have a nice day yourself buddy...

You idiot (and you are the king of douchebags on here - there's another "fact" for you toughguy)

So if 25-30 out of 100 cars came up light on that night, then he has a legit beef. If he was the only one (especially if he was the only one light out of the cars that ran 100 laps in A Main), what grounds can he sue on? I'll wait there Perry Mason....

Everyones tire is ruined after a feature race. And wouldnt it help the lower budget guys? As if they have to dope that would just be another expense added to their team. 

Assuming  that 2299# is illegal and grounds for disqualification,the sanctioning body should have a means of accurately weighing the cars repeatability everytime, I think they have a good argument on both the tire and the wieght issues,but Im not a lawyer  

It certainly could help lower budgeted teams in that sense. Totally agree. Tire prep is expensive.... or so I hear. People pay stupid amounts for odorless prep or this, that, the other looking for an advantage. I am sure some guys run feauture tires more than once especially in lower divisions like 305s. Then again if your winning and getting checked your probably putting on a new set for each week so maybe my original statement doesnt have as much weight as I thought. Still would be some expense on the track who ultimately makes the decision but I have no clue how much.

Don't quit your day job counselor - if you even have one.

not sure about Ohio...but most states have laws that regulate the use of scales for enterprise operations and "a POUND is a POUND"...and you aren't allow to screw people out of the price of a 16 oz. steak if the steak is only 14 oz.

the govt gets involved when a commercial truck crosses a bridge and collapses the bridge because it exceeds the weight limit...see why these laws are valuable?

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Pretty simple really.

If  the Ohio Dept. of Agriculture Weights and Measures division has a State law that says anyone getting paid by the results of a scale has to have their scales certified and calibrated by them on an annual basis it doesn't matter if it were 1 car or all 100 WRG/UMP and Eldora were operating outside of State laws.

It happened to Lernerville Speedway in Pa. when they DQ'd a late model driver after he won the feature years back and he won the case for that exact reason. The scales were not certified and calibrated by the State and they were compensating/paying by the results of a scale.

And whats your point? Who cares how big Eldora is around the outside. There is not a track in PA. that even comes close to Eldora in any category. Eldora is The worlds best dirtrack with the Worlds biggest dirt track race the World 100. Hands down!

My issue is this. If they decide the scales are off, or must be certified, whatever, then fine. If they can prove thatt he methods to test tire samples is not up to par, fine. Fix the issues, pay the money, and move on. The problem lies int he amount of the lawsuit. They want millions for prize money equalling less than 200k for for all 4 teams. Not good for the sport of racing in general. If people start to win lawsuits like this, no insurance company is going to insure a local race track. 

It is bad enough that non race fans are trying to shut tracks down, but we seem to be doing a good enough job of it ourselves. 

As for the scales... The Ag. Dept. will accept a calibration from the company that installed the scales. I have seen it done first hand. I believe Eldora had the scales replaced before the race, per the lawsuit. My guess is the company who installed the scales insurance will be on the hook for part of the lawsuit. Eldora's new issue will be getting the scales verified multiple times per year.

Tires.... This one will get interesting as it could change how tires are tested.

Didn't Bloomer get whacked at the World 100 for cheating last year?

For me reading the whole report it is not about the scales or tires that have some stuff on the them. It's Bloomquist vs the WRG/Ump. They also check tires on the Lucas Oil Series. Bloomquist oop's I think once on weight. Never on tires.

But with WRG he is always doing something wrong. WRG doesn't like he runs with Lucas Oil Series and always tries to get back at him. A report from him and others he owns I read or heard up to 1/4 of the WoO late model series. Also heard at another track that one tires dealer was the one selling tires at Eldora that Bloomquist and others bought. Yes, most of the teams buy tires each night at the track with the late models. Also read and looked most of the teams at Eldora where Bloomquist chassis or teams he helps. Make me go hmmmm. 

Tire prep is different that tire softener. Tire prep, if done right, with the right chemicals can actually increase tire life. As far as expense, if you know what to get and how to use it, you can get stuff at a paint or hardware store,  instead of forking out dollars for commercial prep. Tire prep, if done right adds chemicals back into the tires that evaperate out. The better term to use is tire conditioning. Most times it isn't softening the tires that you are after, it is regenerating and reviving the rubber to replace what has dried out and made them less flexible. So while you may not be actually softening them much if any, you are keeping them from getting hard and brittle and less flexible.

to indy and beyond!!

They only checked the top 3 that night... the lawsuit states the Bloomquist was weighed twice and they came up with 2 different numbers, but both light. With the tires it sort of funny that the  WoO Late model regulars are never caught for doping tires,but everyone else is...... 

?????? ............ having talked to members of two of the teams involved ........ this should be interesting

...... as for board comments/guesses .............. amused as usually ......................... keepem' coming

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top 3 only get scaled

Screw Blooquist, been a Blooquist hater for a decade.  He's in love with himself.  The Sammy Swindell of late model racing, just another sourpuss.  Anything that happens to him on the track, anything at all, is not his fault.  Those guys have one chance in a hundred+ of winning.  The lawyers who took this case probably know about as much about racing as my dog, and my dog ain't too smart.  I hope the lawyers for the drivers spend hundreds and hundreds of hours on this and thousands and thousands of dollars on travel expenses---all for naught.

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