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Hardly any Knoxville regs for 10,000 to win NSL shows at I-80 and Jackson and not many here tonight from what I could see. I think the Badlands payoffs are gonna put a bigger dent in River Cities car count then it is Knoxville's.
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Posted By: shake n bake motorsports on May 29 2016 at 09:11:52 AM
Let's see, the only descent day of the weekend, holiday tomorrow 10, 000 grand to win 1000 to start I would sure hope some people will come however would be foolish to compare tonight with a normal Sunday. The fact remains Mr Runge that Sunday night's had become a fail and lets be honest the only reason you want Sunday night is because you are one of the few that does knoxville on a regular basis.
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I just want all three tracks to join together and have the strongest Sprint car base in the country . Tonight is a great opportunity hopefully the cars n fans show up and prove it.
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27 410s. 22 360s 11 305s. Great crowd.
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Posted By: dsc1600 on May 29 2016 at 01:55:18 PM
It continues to baffle me that this guy should have to run his business on a less than ideal night just so a few drivers and fans can have their pick of tracks over 300 miles away from each other.
Even in Central PA, the biggest hotbed for local sprint car racing, weekly Sunday shows are not run. The WoO, the biggest draw in sprint car racing run very few Sunday shows, even in the summer.
Sunday nights aren't as good as Saturday nights, and Brannan, with all the money he's put into the facility and the purse, should not be blackballed because he chose to run on the best night for his track.
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Wait, Did you just compare Badlands, Jackson and Knoxville to Central PA? The simple fact is the upper midwest doesnt have the cars to support multiple tracks each Saturday night like Central PA DOES. Thats the difference....
When a new promoter switches nights and effects other tracks in said area, they will get both positive and negative feedback all around, thats what happens all across America.
I didnt read in this thread why they were running Sunday night this week. Did they rain out early Saturday (Saw McCarl and Zomer where at Knoxville), or was it scheduled that way all along for the holiday weekend?
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Posted By: kooks on May 29 2016 at 03:37:46 PM
For starters how many races has there been at Husets the past 10 yrs (other than the WoO and Allstar shows) that have paid more than their measely weekly purse did? Now how many of those shows had some wierd qualifying procedure that you had to attend several races before during the season? There was usually a show at the end of the year that paid good but you had to be there for most of the year to qualify.
There weren't very many good paying shows at Huset's before last year with the NSL.
If Chucky had raced at Huset's on Sunday night this year with his current payout the NSL regulars would have been there often because there would have been a good number of NSL points races there.
If Chucky had stayed on Sunday night the NSL would be racing at Huset's tonight, not the Iowa State Fairgrounds.
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The NSL has 4/5 followers. EVERY car from the Knoxville area will get $1100 every night as long as they make the 24 car field. Let's see how many times they come up this year.
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Posted By: johngr24 on May 29 2016 at 11:56:23 PM
Wait, Did you just compare Badlands, Jackson and Knoxville to Central PA? The simple fact is the upper midwest doesnt have the cars to support multiple tracks each Saturday night like Central PA DOES. Thats the difference....
When a new promoter switches nights and effects other tracks in said area, they will get both positive and negative feedback all around, thats what happens all across America.
I didnt read in this thread why they were running Sunday night this week. Did they rain out early Saturday (Saw McCarl and Zomer where at Knoxville), or was it scheduled that way all along for the holiday weekend?
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You do build sprint car racing by offering more nights to race, not fewer. The top drivers in PA are split also because of same night racing at different tracks. Each track has 3-5 of the top 8-10 drivers in PA. The one thing the NSL may have ackomplished with 3 tracks working in unison is the top 10-12 drivers in the area would have competed with each other on a regular basis. With the paybacks that the NSL and Badlands are willing to pay those two tracks would have drawn 25-27 410's every night, and Knoxville the normal 32-35 each week. Now they are split. Put 25-27 410's at Badlands every Sunday night and the crowd would have been similar to what it"s going to be now on Saturday nights. I went to Husets for Many years when the car counts were decent and the crowds were great. The only reason crowds had fallen off at the then Husets track was the car count went to crap in the 410's and no money was being paid out by the owners. Badlands drew 27 cars I believe tonight .....NSL drew I believe 14 in Des Moines. Had last night not rained out at Badlands the car count in Des Moines would have been stronger than it turned out to be. Of course when the NSL scheduled the Sunday of a holiday weekend for a show it looked as though with Badlands running on Saturday night, the Des Moines race would have had clear sailing on a Sunday night. Badlands with the Saturday rain out policy....moving the show to Sunday has now ruined the odds af anybody trying to promote a race on Sunday night. The risk factor is too great. So Badlands has really tied up two nights of sprint car racing with one program. Those living right in Sioux Falls and near by of course are going to be delighted with what is happening. But it sure as hell is doing nothing to build sprint car racing in the Midwest. It will have a negative affect. I read enough dissention on here amongst the PA fans who cater one track or another out there that even with a larger population of sprint cars in the area it isn't all peaches and cream. It is what it is, and probably won't change. Theres a reason the All Stars in Ohio draw so well and there's a reason PA can have success with three and four tracks competeing. Sprint car Count! More sponsors to the sport for the drivers and potential new teams in IA, MN and SD are not going to be attracted by split fields of cars. They are missing a full night of potential customers.
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Posted By: blazer00 on May 30 2016 at 01:41:12 AM
You do build sprint car racing by offering more nights to race, not fewer. The top drivers in PA are split also because of same night racing at different tracks. Each track has 3-5 of the top 8-10 drivers in PA. The one thing the NSL may have ackomplished with 3 tracks working in unison is the top 10-12 drivers in the area would have competed with each other on a regular basis. With the paybacks that the NSL and Badlands are willing to pay those two tracks would have drawn 25-27 410's every night, and Knoxville the normal 32-35 each week. Now they are split. Put 25-27 410's at Badlands every Sunday night and the crowd would have been similar to what it"s going to be now on Saturday nights. I went to Husets for Many years when the car counts were decent and the crowds were great. The only reason crowds had fallen off at the then Husets track was the car count went to crap in the 410's and no money was being paid out by the owners. Badlands drew 27 cars I believe tonight .....NSL drew I believe 14 in Des Moines. Had last night not rained out at Badlands the car count in Des Moines would have been stronger than it turned out to be. Of course when the NSL scheduled the Sunday of a holiday weekend for a show it looked as though with Badlands running on Saturday night, the Des Moines race would have had clear sailing on a Sunday night. Badlands with the Saturday rain out policy....moving the show to Sunday has now ruined the odds af anybody trying to promote a race on Sunday night. The risk factor is too great. So Badlands has really tied up two nights of sprint car racing with one program. Those living right in Sioux Falls and near by of course are going to be delighted with what is happening. But it sure as hell is doing nothing to build sprint car racing in the Midwest. It will have a negative affect. I read enough dissention on here amongst the PA fans who cater one track or another out there that even with a larger population of sprint cars in the area it isn't all peaches and cream. It is what it is, and probably won't change. Theres a reason the All Stars in Ohio draw so well and there's a reason PA can have success with three and four tracks competeing. Sprint car Count! More sponsors to the sport for the drivers and potential new teams in IA, MN and SD are not going to be attracted by split fields of cars. They are missing a full night of potential customers.
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Local guys are getting paid triple or more what they were making last year...every night. That's going to add up quick for many drivers. Putting all the drivers at a different track 3 nights a week would be great, but it will slowly phase put the low budget guys and then we're back to talking about car counts again. Not so much for the fans, but for the drivers this 'split' is awesome.
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Posted By: MK4k on May 30 2016 at 01:56:52 AM
Local guys are getting paid triple or more what they were making last year...every night. That's going to add up quick for many drivers. Putting all the drivers at a different track 3 nights a week would be great, but it will slowly phase put the low budget guys and then we're back to talking about car counts again. Not so much for the fans, but for the drivers this 'split' is awesome.
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Anything that adds more potential earning to sprint car teams and more races is a good thing.The promoters are finally promoting and everyone wins.It would be nice if they all got together and it really would benefit each track but that doesnt seem to be the goal. Knoxville has the Nationals and also a new person that is doing a great job of promoting and will always be the Saturday show that will be the winner.NSL and Badlands have two aggresive business men that know how to make money and have put up millions to improve each of their tracks and neither needs racing to make a living so everyone benefits in some way.Winged 410 racing is in the best position it has been in the last 20 years.Anyone that has owned a team knows how hard it is to race for $3000 to win and $500+ to start with cars that have engines that cost $40/50K and need freshened every 8/10 races.It costs at least $1000 per night if you dont wreck or break anything just to make it thru the night including tires,fuel,pit passes,hauler expense. The cheapest thing in racing is a good seat in the grandstand
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Posted By: blazer00 on May 30 2016 at 01:41:12 AM
You do build sprint car racing by offering more nights to race, not fewer. The top drivers in PA are split also because of same night racing at different tracks. Each track has 3-5 of the top 8-10 drivers in PA. The one thing the NSL may have ackomplished with 3 tracks working in unison is the top 10-12 drivers in the area would have competed with each other on a regular basis. With the paybacks that the NSL and Badlands are willing to pay those two tracks would have drawn 25-27 410's every night, and Knoxville the normal 32-35 each week. Now they are split. Put 25-27 410's at Badlands every Sunday night and the crowd would have been similar to what it"s going to be now on Saturday nights. I went to Husets for Many years when the car counts were decent and the crowds were great. The only reason crowds had fallen off at the then Husets track was the car count went to crap in the 410's and no money was being paid out by the owners. Badlands drew 27 cars I believe tonight .....NSL drew I believe 14 in Des Moines. Had last night not rained out at Badlands the car count in Des Moines would have been stronger than it turned out to be. Of course when the NSL scheduled the Sunday of a holiday weekend for a show it looked as though with Badlands running on Saturday night, the Des Moines race would have had clear sailing on a Sunday night. Badlands with the Saturday rain out policy....moving the show to Sunday has now ruined the odds af anybody trying to promote a race on Sunday night. The risk factor is too great. So Badlands has really tied up two nights of sprint car racing with one program. Those living right in Sioux Falls and near by of course are going to be delighted with what is happening. But it sure as hell is doing nothing to build sprint car racing in the Midwest. It will have a negative affect. I read enough dissention on here amongst the PA fans who cater one track or another out there that even with a larger population of sprint cars in the area it isn't all peaches and cream. It is what it is, and probably won't change. Theres a reason the All Stars in Ohio draw so well and there's a reason PA can have success with three and four tracks competeing. Sprint car Count! More sponsors to the sport for the drivers and potential new teams in IA, MN and SD are not going to be attracted by split fields of cars. They are missing a full night of potential customers.
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Why doesn't Knoxville run on Sundays to take advantage of this great oppertunity to make money?
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Posted By: sprintfast on May 30 2016 at 08:17:27 AM
Why doesn't Knoxville run on Sundays to take advantage of this great oppertunity to make money?
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Just imagine a dream world where all three tracks worked together and rotated nights. Do it by year or split the season into thirds.
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Posted By: johngr24 on May 29 2016 at 11:56:23 PM
Wait, Did you just compare Badlands, Jackson and Knoxville to Central PA? The simple fact is the upper midwest doesnt have the cars to support multiple tracks each Saturday night like Central PA DOES. Thats the difference....
When a new promoter switches nights and effects other tracks in said area, they will get both positive and negative feedback all around, thats what happens all across America.
I didnt read in this thread why they were running Sunday night this week. Did they rain out early Saturday (Saw McCarl and Zomer where at Knoxville), or was it scheduled that way all along for the holiday weekend?
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The point i made was about front gate, not back gate. Even in central pa, there are no weekly Sunday shows because they don't sell with the fans. The WoO, biggest draw in sprint car racing has 7 sunday night races all year, and one of them is at badlands. Out of 90 scheduled races.
The guys puts in 5-10 million of improvements to a track and then has to race on a less than ideal night because a track 300 miles away is running that night?
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Posted By: sprintfast on May 30 2016 at 08:17:27 AM
Why doesn't Knoxville run on Sundays to take advantage of this great oppertunity to make money?
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My assessment and thoughts may have had holes in it and created questions, I agree. But your question can only be classified as a question from an idiot. Get a clue!
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Posted By: blazer00 on May 30 2016 at 11:08:43 AM
My assessment and thoughts may have had holes in it and created questions, I agree. But your question can only be classified as a question from an idiot. Get a clue!
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Well, why don't they? If they are worried about losing cars why don't they take the open date? It would be great for racing in the region, they could run 3 nights a week and I'm sure all the guys from SD would travel down there. /s
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I still can not get past one fact about Badlands. It is run by a pawn shop. They prey off of those with no financial control. They are sleeze as far as I am concerned. Anyone who runs a business to make the stupid loose even more money is a jerk. Let the season play out and we shall see.
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Posted By: frenchy on May 30 2016 at 12:10:10 PM
Well, why don't they? If they are worried about losing cars why don't they take the open date? It would be great for racing in the region, they could run 3 nights a week and I'm sure all the guys from SD would travel down there. /s
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Didn't you know? They're Knoxville and nobody can compete against them!
That was a joke before anyone says anything. I love going to Knoxville a couple times a year. The SF base is happy about the change and the people that support Knoxville are not. I for one was tired of going to Husets on Sunday night. My opinion only.
Race Teams will determine what works best for them and the track owners and/or promoters will have to adjust their business model to compete. Teams and Fans win. Badlands "hogged" two nights. I call that smart business. Keep in mind with the amount of money involved for the teams and track owners, this is a business.
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Posted By: ILSPRINTS on May 30 2016 at 01:51:06 PM
I still can not get past one fact about Badlands. It is run by a pawn shop. They prey off of those with no financial control. They are sleeze as far as I am concerned. Anyone who runs a business to make the stupid loose even more money is a jerk. Let the season play out and we shall see.
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I can't get over his statements, of next time I hear Knoxville I'm going to puke, or TMac will run here because it's closer to where he lives. He is who he is.
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In a perfect situation the 3 tracks would run Knoxville Friday Jackson Saturday and husets Sunday. That way drivers can race 3 nights and start at 1 end and finish at the other, no criss crossing the 3 states. If they worked that out you'd probably have 10-15 drivers race all 3 and every track would get 25-30 cars each night. But guess what it's not going to happen.
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Posted By: schristensen on May 30 2016 at 01:55:47 PM
Didn't you know? They're Knoxville and nobody can compete against them!
That was a joke before anyone says anything. I love going to Knoxville a couple times a year. The SF base is happy about the change and the people that support Knoxville are not. I for one was tired of going to Husets on Sunday night. My opinion only.
Race Teams will determine what works best for them and the track owners and/or promoters will have to adjust their business model to compete. Teams and Fans win. Badlands "hogged" two nights. I call that smart business. Keep in mind with the amount of money involved for the teams and track owners, this is a business.
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You and frenchy are pretty fucking stupid also! The primary message of my post was about the NSL show being affected by Brennan's asshole position of tying up two nights to get one weekly show in! He shits on the lower class guys that have supported that facility for years by cancelling their show because his top show got rained out the night before. If he had balls, the Saturday night show would be a rainout and that's that. Run his regular Sunday schedule that he has in place, keeping Sunday open so other races could be run with decent fields. If you think his way of doing business is good for the sport you are fickle in the head!
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You and frenchy are pretty fucking stupid also! The primary message of my post was about the NSL show being affected by Brennan's asshole position of tying up two nights to get one weekly show in! He shits on the lower class guys that have supported that facility for years by cancelling their show because his top show got rained out the night before. If he had balls, the Saturday night show would be a rainout and that's that. Run his regular Sunday schedule that he has in place, keeping Sunday open so other races could be run with decent fields. If you think his way of doing business is good for the sport you are fickle in the head!
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Agree..he's not doing this for the betterment of the sport, he's doing it for his ego. In the end, they didn't share that many cars anyway. Makes sense for TK, Dobmeier, and Zomer to go there. Less competiton up there, more money, and don't miss em' anyway. Listening to Lasoski on Pennlive podcast the other day, sounds like he, and a few other drivers would have preferred they stay on Sundays as well, so they could have three nights of racing in a row in the upper midwest. Instead, this guy had to be a prick. Oh well, to each his own.
Just baffling that so many think he's doing this for the right reasons. Why would you not want Lasoski, Brown, T-Mac, Zomer, TK, Henderson, Dollansky, Madsen's (sometimes Kerry), Dobmeier, Heskin, etc. to be able to race three nights in a row? Better quality and depth throughout the field would mean more people may come and watch, even on a Sunday. Instead he split it in half on Saturday nights and took away a race in close proximity for many drivers.
I understand he thinks he'll make more $$$ on Saturday's, but if his pockets are as deep as everyone says, why does it matter? He's going to make money back on concerts and other events he has. And also, he's paying employees to work two nights a week, lights to run two nights a week, doubling up on all sorts of stuff.
In the end, even racing on Saturday's wasn't probably the biggest issue, but it's the way he went about it, and burnt a lot of bridges in doing so I would guess.
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You and frenchy are pretty fucking stupid also! The primary message of my post was about the NSL show being affected by Brennan's asshole position of tying up two nights to get one weekly show in! He shits on the lower class guys that have supported that facility for years by cancelling their show because his top show got rained out the night before. If he had balls, the Saturday night show would be a rainout and that's that. Run his regular Sunday schedule that he has in place, keeping Sunday open so other races could be run with decent fields. If you think his way of doing business is good for the sport you are fickle in the head!
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Blaze, Blaze, Blaze BMS is a sprint car track period, has been for the last twenty some years, people come to watch sprints could care less about the other shit you continue to make a complete ass out of yourself by your post, hey I think everyone understands your love affair with Knoxville but its time to move on now.
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