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hiroshimacarp
March 30, 2023 at 04:16:53 PM
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i was listening to the dirttrackr daily conversations podcast this morning where he was talking about the whining about rain outs.  i totally hear what he's saying about everyone whining about everything to the point where the whining doesn't even make sense.  the tracks definitely can't win and ultimately just have to make the decision they think is best.

one thought i had though was the tracks can go a long way to developing a reputation where fans trust their decisions.  i was at port royal the night of the first greg hodnett classic where a thunderstorm rolled through about 2 hours or less before the start time.  my impression was they worked their tails off to dry the track and got the race in even if it finished after midnight.  everyone wanted to see that race since it was honoring greg and i'll never the cars with his former paint schemes leading the field.

last august i was out running around lunch time on a friday when a brief shower (and i really mean BRIEF and shower is even exaggerating) came though.  i was running around west shore christian church which is at most a mile from williams grove.  when i got home about an hour later...they decided to cancel.  there was a another friday afternoon (can't remember when) where we got a fairly brief although heavier shower...but it was absolutely beautiful by 5 pm and they cancelled.

lincoln was the first track to race when covid hit.  they raced saturday night when the weather was ugly all day in central pa.  i think they would race through a hurricane, f5 tornado, catastrophic flood, wildfire...you get the point.

long story short...i'll think of port as a track that will do everything they can do race when it makes sense, williams grove will cancel at a drop of a hat while spending all week building up the race they have scheduled, and lincoln will race through anything.  consistency is important which is all a race fan can ask for. port sets the example.  the grove is frustrating because most weeks they should just cancel on a monday...but leave hope all week that they might actually race.  i don't think that's fair to the race fans.  they just canceled the modified portion for tomorrow night when it's pretty damn obvious they'll have to cancel the whole thing.

there's also the whole subject of whether racing in march...much less february...is just dreaming.  getting anything in should be thought of as a bonus.  i think the woo scheduling in march was just a shot across the bow to claim central pa as their territory.




revjimk
March 30, 2023 at 04:28:08 PM
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Seems like racing in March anywhere is a crapshoot

Oh well, things could be worse...



StanM
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March 30, 2023 at 04:42:05 PM
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I'm jealous, most of my yard is still covered with snow.  We'll be lucky if everything melts by April 29 when one of four nights of 410 racing is scheduled to take place.  I doubt that the Stock Cars and Modifieds will get their opener in a week from Saturday. 
 

Friday

Rain and possibly a thunderstorm. High near 39. Breezy, with a northeast wind 10 to 15 mph increasing to 15 to 20 mph in the afternoon. Winds could gust as high as 35 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New rainfall amounts between a tenth and quarter of an inch, except higher amounts possible in thunderstorms. 

Friday Night

Snow showers, possibly mixed with rain, becoming all snow after 9pm. The snow could be heavy at times. Some thunder is also possible. Widespread blowing snow, mainly between 9pm and 3am. Low around 20. Windy, with a north wind 25 to 30 mph, with gusts as high as 45 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 4 to 8 inches possible.


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armyduke
March 30, 2023 at 06:00:29 PM
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It's definately a crap shoot. 

There were days in Central PA the last 3 weeks where it was 55 and sunny, just not many of those days were Friday or Saturday.    Same can be said for Ohio, there have been 60 degree days in the last 3 weeks,  just not on Friday or Saturdays.   

WoO Late Models have 6 rainouts I think since Florida.  People saying they shouldn't schedule in March, but some years they have gotten 5 or 6 of 7/8 races scheduled in March and Early April, it's a crap shoot.  People are stupid, it's weather, you can't control it. 

Rain outs in PA, CA, GA, OH, FL have happened in March this year, it don't matter where you schedule, you may or may not get a race.  Same can be said for April, May, June, July, August, September, October.  People whine just to whine. 

Some tracks try harder than others, some take more risks than others.  Some run but don't have the track in race shape.  Some cancel quick.   Some do it right and the non casual fans will wait out the time it takes to get the track right, we don't turn into pumpkins at midnight.  



Dryslick Willie
March 30, 2023 at 07:23:53 PM
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Not going to make that much sense in the South either.   Rain has played havoc with spring WoO and ASCS races in Texas for years.   It's a little warmer in the south during March, but it's every bit as likely to rain.   WoO at Devils Bowl next two nights.   It is supposed to rain tomorrow, although mostly east of Dallas.   They will get Saturday in either way though.



Murphy
March 30, 2023 at 08:33:00 PM
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Traditionally, Mother's Day is our first scheduled rainout for the year. Some years they get a little bolder and have a coule of early season rainouts before that. 




StanM
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March 31, 2023 at 12:03:03 PM
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This message was edited on March 31, 2023 at 12:07:24 PM by StanM
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Posted By: armyduke on March 30 2023 at 06:00:29 PM

It's definately a crap shoot. 

There were days in Central PA the last 3 weeks where it was 55 and sunny, just not many of those days were Friday or Saturday.    Same can be said for Ohio, there have been 60 degree days in the last 3 weeks,  just not on Friday or Saturdays.   

WoO Late Models have 6 rainouts I think since Florida.  People saying they shouldn't schedule in March, but some years they have gotten 5 or 6 of 7/8 races scheduled in March and Early April, it's a crap shoot.  People are stupid, it's weather, you can't control it. 

Rain outs in PA, CA, GA, OH, FL have happened in March this year, it don't matter where you schedule, you may or may not get a race.  Same can be said for April, May, June, July, August, September, October.  People whine just to whine. 

Some tracks try harder than others, some take more risks than others.  Some run but don't have the track in race shape.  Some cancel quick.   Some do it right and the non casual fans will wait out the time it takes to get the track right, we don't turn into pumpkins at midnight.  



where I live fifty years ago the tracks all opened in May.  Someone got the idea of opening a week earlier, other tracks saw over 200 cars for their opener and decided to do the same.  Fifty years later here we are with openers scheduled for early April and batting less than .500 starting that early.  Weather varies from year to year and I have been to early April openers in a t-shirt some years and a parka other years.  
 

As far as Sprints go they're light and get upside down on a rough track.  I have seen the fans get all excited for the opener and show up with new cars all wrapped and fancy after waiting all winter.  The first night out the frost hadn't totally come out in spots causing the track to become rough.  The next day I see the ones eager to start early posting photos of broken and torn up cars.  Up here the tracks are generally good but they have to be careful about running Sprint shows early.  If Sprints hit some of those rough spots we see for the Stock Car and Modified opener they'd be picking up pieces in the next county.  It becomes a sort of "be careful what you wish for" situation when we get a late spring.

 


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hiroshimacarp
March 31, 2023 at 12:41:43 PM
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This message was edited on March 31, 2023 at 01:05:59 PM by hiroshimacarp

there's a wall of water approaching mechanicsburg right now.  williams grove was still posting late this morning that "it's raceday!".  

no it's not.  you're not racing today.  just call it already.  they should have called it last night with the modifieds.  instead they upped the ante by advertisting $23,000 to win the 410 sprint race...which has no chance of happening.



armyduke
March 31, 2023 at 12:53:50 PM
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Posted By: hiroshimacarp on March 31 2023 at 12:41:43 PM

there's a wall of water approaching mechanicsburg right now.  williams grove was still posting late this morning that "it's raceday!".  

no it's not.  you're not racing today.  just call it already.  they should have called it last night with the modifieds.  instead they upped the ante by advertisting $23,000 to win the 410 sprint race...which has no chance of happening.



$23k???!!!!!




longtimefan
March 31, 2023 at 01:52:51 PM
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Posted By: hiroshimacarp on March 31 2023 at 12:41:43 PM

there's a wall of water approaching mechanicsburg right now.  williams grove was still posting late this morning that "it's raceday!".  

no it's not.  you're not racing today.  just call it already.  they should have called it last night with the modifieds.  instead they upped the ante by advertisting $23,000 to win the 410 sprint race...which has no chance of happening.



Total purse, $7,000 to win.



bgtexpress
March 31, 2023 at 02:41:57 PM
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And you all think Williams Grove did not want to race tonight? They have had the worst luck weather wise over the last few seasons. I am sure there are people bitching they cancelled for tonight. They are damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Can't blame them for tonight's decision...and it looks like rain again for next Friday????



RodinCanada
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Just thinking that if there is frost in your racetrack you're starting too early. 


Even though I may not know you, I 
care what most of you think!


Parnelli98
March 31, 2023 at 10:06:30 PM
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Posted By: RodinCanada on March 31 2023 at 09:25:06 PM

Just thinking that if there is frost in your racetrack you're starting too early. 



Frost isn't the problem here in Pa it's the rain or threat of rain every Friday it seems. 



fiXXXer
March 31, 2023 at 11:24:32 PM
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there's a wall of water approaching mechanicsburg right now.  williams grove was still posting late this morning that "it's raceday!".  

no it's not.  you're not racing today.  just call it already.  they should have called it last night with the modifieds.  instead they upped the ante by advertisting $23,000 to win the 410 sprint race...which has no chance of happening.



If you had any idea what you were talking about, you'd know that the modified cancelation had zero to do with weather. It was politics between modified promoters/series in the area that was gonna cause a very short field so they axed it and put extra money toward the sprint cars. So what if they tweet about racing until they cancel? They did what we always used to do for years before the internet turned people like you into armchair experts. They kept the race on til the rains came. That's the best way to do it in some cases. Especially for them because whiny ass Port homers like you just sit and wait for any reason whatsoever to shit talk Williams Grove whether they deserve it or not. Also, as for the weather set up today, do you know what happens sometimes? That "wall of water" hits the Allegheny front and totally disintegrates and east of that point, you may not get shit for rain. It happens all the time. So, why cancel when that possibility exists? It was still hours before anyone was gonna be leaving and anyone with common sense knew that the rain would either hit or miss in plenty of time to make a call based on current conditions as opposed to a forecast that is often times wrong. Every track is doing what they feel is best. They don't need to undergo psychoanalysis every time they make a judgement call. Whether it's Port, Lincoln or Williams Grove or any other track in the world, these calls almost always factor money into the equation over anything else. That's how it's always been and how it always will be.



revjimk
April 01, 2023 at 01:34:35 PM
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Nobody controls the weather, tracks make their best guess, sometimes right, sometimes wrong

Thats life




DIRT IN MY BEER
April 02, 2023 at 12:59:25 AM
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Storms rolled through here Friday night. Raced here at Farmington Mo tonight. 410 wing - Joe B Miller, Steve Short, Kyle Bellm. 



BStrawser26
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The last sentence is the funniest thing I have ever read on here.  Try the exact oposite!!


Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

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BStrawser26
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Only in your dreams or anyone's dreams is that true.  Anyone can prepare a track like they have on a consistent basis.  Just add a very little water and pack it tight.  


Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!


hiroshimacarp
April 03, 2023 at 08:34:17 AM
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If you had any idea what you were talking about, you'd know that the modified cancelation had zero to do with weather. It was politics between modified promoters/series in the area that was gonna cause a very short field so they axed it and put extra money toward the sprint cars. So what if they tweet about racing until they cancel? They did what we always used to do for years before the internet turned people like you into armchair experts. They kept the race on til the rains came. That's the best way to do it in some cases. Especially for them because whiny ass Port homers like you just sit and wait for any reason whatsoever to shit talk Williams Grove whether they deserve it or not. Also, as for the weather set up today, do you know what happens sometimes? That "wall of water" hits the Allegheny front and totally disintegrates and east of that point, you may not get shit for rain. It happens all the time. So, why cancel when that possibility exists? It was still hours before anyone was gonna be leaving and anyone with common sense knew that the rain would either hit or miss in plenty of time to make a call based on current conditions as opposed to a forecast that is often times wrong. Every track is doing what they feel is best. They don't need to undergo psychoanalysis every time they make a judgement call. Whether it's Port, Lincoln or Williams Grove or any other track in the world, these calls almost always factor money into the equation over anything else. That's how it's always been and how it always will be.



i'm not an expert and i don't think i'm complaining.  the weekend played out exactly the way it should have based on the history of each track and how they make these calls.

the grove acted like they would race when it was obvious they would cancel.  you're right...it actually didn't turn out to be much of a wall of water like it showed up on the radar...but it didn't have to be.

lincoln tried to take on severe weather.  this time they lost.

port made the best decision by moving to 1 pm.  they had a terrific race too.  weather was absolutely beautiful for 3-4 hours on saturday afternoon.  i'm not sure if lincoln stayed at 7 to avoid a conflict.  

i'm not a port homer either.  i live in the grove's neighborhood.  i just call them as i see them and people who matter like drivers say the same good things about port too.

 



dsc1600
April 03, 2023 at 09:36:23 AM
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Every year we have these infantile discussions about rain and the decisions made by the tracks whether or not to run. It usually ends up with some ridiculous tweets about "Mother Nature isn't a race fan" as though it's unprecedented there is rain in March and April. Even in states like California the weather is iffy in the spring, and had the Outlaws done their usually tour there it likely would have been a total washout given the rains this year they've had. 





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