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Not sure about Eliason and the 26 team but for teams in the mid-west and the east that don't have unlimited budgets, I would think the all-stars make more sense. I don't really get why teams from 410 hotbeds like PA, OH and the Iowa/mid-west would rather spend millions a year, travelling coast to coast living in hotels and motorhomes just to be also rans with the outlaws. It's not like the WOO has ever been a stepping stone for nascar or Indy. Some of these teams and drivers could be racing for good coin close to home, winning races, spending much less money and sleeping in their own bed most nights. Many of these teams have small local sponsors. What good is it to the sponsor if the car they support is on the road all year? Oh well, this is 21st century USA. Every industry needs to be corporatized, super-sized and monopolized, even dirt track racing. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em I guess. Wouldn't it be great if every good 410 team went to the outlaws? That way we could all sit at home and watch dirtvision instead of frequenting our local tracks. Yippee, go outlaws! Now the WRG also wants to take over non-wing racing. Their LM series is second best so they strong arm tracks that choose to go with the other top LM series. Go WRG! Corporate power! 

So far, these are the drivers who have signed on to run with the World of Outlaws...

Brad Sweet

Donny Schatz

David Gravel

Logan Schuchart

Jacob Allen

Carson Macedo

Sheldon Haudenschild

Kasey Kahne (R)

James McFadden

Spencer Bayston (R)

Kraig Kinser

Brock Zearfoss

Wayne Johnson

Jason Sides

Noah Gass (R)

Rico Abreu - Will run most of the WoO schedule

Tyler Courtney - The statement about a year ago saying he would run with the Outlaws in 2022 was made but no plans or schedule has come from his race team.

Gio Scelzi - Will probably run a good deal of the World of Outlaws schedule although it's unclear if KCP Racing will run the entire thing.

Nothing against the Drivers I have the utmost respect for anyone with the balls to strap themselves into an 1100 lb car thats pushing upwards to 1000HP.  That in and of itself  says all that needs to be said about the drivers.

BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The WOO isnt anything like it was when it started.  It is all about the WRG making money anymore.  Yae the money at the WOO shows are good, but what percentage of that money is the WRG actually paying out and how much are they keeping?  

The rules that the WRG has put into place has all but taken the true Outlaw out of the WOO.  Why is that WRG makes their drivers ask permission to go to any race track they want to go to and race?  What gives the WRG the right to control anybody for that matter?  Who is it hurting if Donny Schatz or Logan Schuchart (SP) or any WOO driver to go race when the Outlaws aren't? And if another race is paying better than a WOO race is paying on the same night than why cant anyone of them go to that race without being penalized by WRG? Wouldn't that make competition for purses better and if the WOO wants to they could raise the stakes for that race on that night. Couldnt they?

Someone earlier in this thread said it perfectly, but didnt use it in this context and correct me if Im wrong but I believe the word he used was "CORPORATIZED"  (BTW Thats a great word).  Yes the WOO has been "Corporatized" and not in a good way.  To me and yes its my opinion the WOO has been ruined by the WRG and although YES they are the best Sprint Car Drivers in the World, they are having to answer to the Corporation and the Corporation says you will do it this way or else be punished.

Ask yourself this, How is that being an Outlaw??  Just some food for thought.

I mean it's all pretty simple to understand, the drivers/teams sign the agreements to be platinum members to get those benefits and in exchange they have to follow the limitations. If they don't like it, they can follow the tour without being a platinum member and also race elsewhere (Pretty sure PPM did this a couple years ago for most of the year). Since no one does that, then the benefit's obviously outweigh the negatives. Now why does WRG put those limitations? Well it elevates their brand- if you want to see Donny Schatz, you're going to an Outlaw show. Also, the outlaws have 88 races scheduled, Im sure they enjoy their time off when they get it and aren't thinking about going and racing. 

I mean it's all pretty simple to understand, the drivers/teams sign the agreements to be platinum members to get those benefits and in exchange they have to follow the limitations. If they don't like it, they can follow the tour without being a platinum member and also race elsewhere (Pretty sure PPM did this a couple years ago for most of the year). Since no one does that, then the benefit's obviously outweigh the negatives. Now why does WRG put those limitations? Well it elevates their brand- if you want to see Donny Schatz, you're going to an Outlaw show. Also, the outlaws have 88 races scheduled, Im sure they enjoy their time off when they get it and aren't thinking about going and racing. 

The term 'Outlaw' is a brand, not a way of life, and it's been that way since at least the late 80s if not before. 

If you're a top team with the talent and budget to win the points title, you'd be dumb not to take advantage of the extra money and prestige of running the full tour. If you're a top guy but maybe not elite, like say Brent Marks, I do think it makes sense to run a more local schedule until you're ready. 

The ORIGINAL WOO had nothing to do with Points.  Drivers that were Outlaws couldn't give 2 shits about points.  It was all about looking at the racing periodicals and finding the best paying race for that day/night and going there and stealing the purse by beating the crap out the local drivers.  

So, your idea of the term "OUTLAW" being a brand is so far out in left field and to be brutally honest WRONG.

I understand your probably young and haven't experienced what a real OUTLAW is in Sprint Car racing. In reality this is what it meant to be an OUTLAW, and that is where the outlaw name came from.  Get out of here with this "Brand" Crap

Not sure about Eliason and the 26 team but for teams in the mid-west and the east that don't have unlimited budgets, I would think the all-stars make more sense. I don't really get why teams from 410 hotbeds like PA, OH and the Iowa/mid-west would rather spend millions a year, travelling coast to coast living in hotels and motorhomes just to be also rans with the outlaws. It's not like the WOO has ever been a stepping stone for nascar or Indy. Some of these teams and drivers could be racing for good coin close to home, winning races, spending much less money and sleeping in their own bed most nights. Many of these teams have small local sponsors. What good is it to the sponsor if the car they support is on the road all year? Oh well, this is 21st century USA. Every industry needs to be corporatized, super-sized and monopolized, even dirt track racing. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em I guess. Wouldn't it be great if every good 410 team went to the outlaws? That way we could all sit at home and watch dirtvision instead of frequenting our local tracks. Yippee, go outlaws! Now the WRG also wants to take over non-wing racing. Their LM series is second best so they strong arm tracks that choose to go with the other top LM series. Go WRG! Corporate power! 

The term 'Outlaw' is a brand, not a way of life, and it's been that way since at least the late 80s if not before. 

If you're a top team with the talent and budget to win the points title, you'd be dumb not to take advantage of the extra money and prestige of running the full tour. If you're a top guy but maybe not elite, like say Brent Marks, I do think it makes sense to run a more local schedule until you're ready. 

The ORIGINAL WOO had nothing to do with Points.  Drivers that were Outlaws couldn't give 2 shits about points.  It was all about looking at the racing periodicals and finding the best paying race for that day/night and going there and stealing the purse by beating the crap out the local drivers.  

So, your idea of the term "OUTLAW" being a brand is so far out in left field and to be brutally honest WRONG.

I understand your probably young and haven't experienced what a real OUTLAW is in Sprint Car racing. In reality this is what it meant to be an OUTLAW, and that is where the outlaw name came from.  Get out of here with this "Brand" Crap

I think you misunderstood my thoughts.  I understand the rules and why they are in place.  I don't agree with them and I don't see the reason for them except WRG wants MONEY.  So, the Drivers and teams are going to be punished so we can control where and when they race, if you don't follow the rules, you get punished.  And those rules have NOTHING to do with actual racing.

Look what is happening in the Northeast Center Steer BB Modified division SDS under WRG.  Another racing Club with no real restrictions on the drivers as to where and when they race, they can run a Superior SB to SDS or a BB in the same races and the purses are equal to and most time better than WRG's SDS. They are losing drivers to Deyo's STSS every year.  

A perfect example of this is Mike Mahaney.  He is a really good up and coming Modified Driver/Team and sometimes a Sprint Car driver, he became a so-called Platinum Member last season.  He heard of a better paying race and went there, only to be punished by WRG/SDS to the point where he was in contention of the championship and they screwed him out of it.  This season he told WRG/SDS to go pound salt and isn't joining.  He will race some races with them but isn't a true SDS driver anymore.  This is just one of many SDS Teams that have left because of their restrictions.

I can see this happening to the WOO and it is going to happen sooner rather than later.

WRG had better look at their GREED and change their GREEDY RULES before it is too late. 

Just WRG announcing a non-winged Sprint Car and Midget racing division. It is all about money and attempting to compete with USAC.  Do you really think WRG is doing this to attract better racing team?  No, they are doing this because USAC is making money and they want that money for themselves.  Not the racing teams and drivers, FOR WGR to line their pockets with more money.

I think you misunderstood my thoughts.  I understand the rules and why they are in place.  I don't agree with them and I don't see the reason for them except WRG wants MONEY.  So, the Drivers and teams are going to be punished so we can control where and when they race, if you don't follow the rules, you get punished.  And those rules have NOTHING to do with actual racing.

Look what is happening in the Northeast Center Steer BB Modified division SDS under WRG.  Another racing Club with no real restrictions on the drivers as to where and when they race, they can run a Superior SB to SDS or a BB in the same races and the purses are equal to and most time better than WRG's SDS. They are losing drivers to Deyo's STSS every year.  

A perfect example of this is Mike Mahaney.  He is a really good up and coming Modified Driver/Team and sometimes a Sprint Car driver, he became a so-called Platinum Member last season.  He heard of a better paying race and went there, only to be punished by WRG/SDS to the point where he was in contention of the championship and they screwed him out of it.  This season he told WRG/SDS to go pound salt and isn't joining.  He will race some races with them but isn't a true SDS driver anymore.  This is just one of many SDS Teams that have left because of their restrictions.

I can see this happening to the WOO and it is going to happen sooner rather than later.

WRG had better look at their GREED and change their GREEDY RULES before it is too late. 

Just WRG announcing a non-winged Sprint Car and Midget racing division. It is all about money and attempting to compete with USAC.  Do you really think WRG is doing this to attract better racing team?  No, they are doing this because USAC is making money and they want that money for themselves.  Not the racing teams and drivers, FOR WGR to line their pockets with more money.

I think you misunderstood my thoughts.  I understand the rules and why they are in place.  I don't agree with them and I don't see the reason for them except WRG wants MONEY.  So, the Drivers and teams are going to be punished so we can control where and when they race, if you don't follow the rules, you get punished.  And those rules have NOTHING to do with actual racing.

Look what is happening in the Northeast Center Steer BB Modified division SDS under WRG.  Another racing Club with no real restrictions on the drivers as to where and when they race, they can run a Superior SB to SDS or a BB in the same races and the purses are equal to and most time better than WRG's SDS. They are losing drivers to Deyo's STSS every year.  

A perfect example of this is Mike Mahaney.  He is a really good up and coming Modified Driver/Team and sometimes a Sprint Car driver, he became a so-called Platinum Member last season.  He heard of a better paying race and went there, only to be punished by WRG/SDS to the point where he was in contention of the championship and they screwed him out of it.  This season he told WRG/SDS to go pound salt and isn't joining.  He will race some races with them but isn't a true SDS driver anymore.  This is just one of many SDS Teams that have left because of their restrictions.

I can see this happening to the WOO and it is going to happen sooner rather than later.

WRG had better look at their GREED and change their GREEDY RULES before it is too late. 

Just WRG announcing a non-winged Sprint Car and Midget racing division. It is all about money and attempting to compete with USAC.  Do you really think WRG is doing this to attract better racing team?  No, they are doing this because USAC is making money and they want that money for themselves.  Not the racing teams and drivers, FOR WGR to line their pockets with more money.