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And this is the PR guy for the All stars, Public relations with this kind of professionalism ?

I have been a fan since childhood, attend races most every weekend during season and have loved the All Stars for many years. I also read these boards near every day but seldom post, but I gotta say, after reading your little rant on Jakes board, I am amazed that Guy or Jake keeps you around.

You lied to the enire board for days about the reason the board was down.

The biggest instigator decides everyone needs a timeout and shuts board down, then lies about it to everyone who tries to log on.

Next time you wonder why alot of people have lost interest in the All Stars, you need look no further than yourself.

Unbelievable !

Nutbush- could not have said it better. I have gone to All Stars races since the late 80's and dont have a problem with the All Stars .I wish they could get more races but when it goes from 70 races to 30 most people can see where the problem lies! Swamp , I changed my plans and went to lawrenceburg for the Gaines Memorial instead of the fall classic because of your slamming of Jim Ford for running against the all stars .

Bashing of Jim Ford and the Fremont track is completely acceptable if your in the know and "Behind the scenes".

...86 sprint car drivers at 2 tracks, within 4 hours of each other, with $15,000 & $10,000 to win purses, and a $50,000 point championship on the line...quality fields and happy fans for the most part...and this is what is being "discussed" on the most nationally recognized message board this sport offers...that's just frickin' AWESOME !...

...no wonder anyone with any sponsorship money won't spend a dime on this sport...here we have a track promoter and a series both willing to pay big money for a race...and it is "celebrated" by this fine display by "fans" and "those involved"...why wouldn't you want your company's name attached to that ???...

...it's too bad that little kid in front of me at Fremont, that was having the time of his life because Stevie Smith's purple car was there, doesn't post on this message board...then a potential sponsor could actually read something by someone that still enjoys sprint car racing...instead of this bullshit !...

...congrats and thanks to Guy Webb, Jim Ford, and all involved in putting on BOTH RACES...I bet the 86 teams racing appreciated the big purse races without the WoO label being attached to them...as well as the paying customers appreciated not having to pay the WoO price tag either...

...both races were run...fans seemed to enjoy both...no one got hurt...FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, LET IT GO !...

You are right Gas. I apologize for my input in this mess.

My Family and myself as well as a few friends had a GREAT time at Fremont Sat and sincerely hope those who attended the All star race had an equally great time. Great race for a fair price and I couldnt be happier.

I will now slink back into obscurity as one of the many unknown fans who read these boards.

I second what nutbush had to say about the lies to us on Jake's board....and here's another thought, what I like about this site is that I have never "not saying it hasn't happened"...... has Allan gotten on here and said the kinda things to the people who post that Swamp has over on their board. I guess what I'm saying Swamp takes thing to personally over there and it ends up getting into a battle. People have the right to opinions and people should have their right to voice it. I'm not saying all are right, but some of "US" do get out and around and do know people involved with the topics we reply about. But as the post started out I thought that everyone involed with the 2 shows did very well.

I can't take it any longer and must post a reply to this.

I read these boards about twice per week and that includes the pitgate board. I have been reading the hoseheads message board since it began in its infancy. My involvement in the sport is probably irrelevant - I'm not trying to brag about myself like someone else that can't keep off these boards. We are all passionate fans of this sport or we wouldn't ever get on this board whether you are a driver, owner, crew member, track worker, track owner, series promoter, sponsor, etc. or just someone who enjoys watching sprint cars.

It's no good for the sport to be bashing, but sometimes you just have to take a swing at someone.

Guy Webb has his problems (who doesn't?) and you can't make everyone happy. I think his biggest mistake is who he has appointed as his PR guy.

Here's a guy that has come out of the stands (and these message boards) and tried to make a name for himself as a sprint car "know-it-all". If you go against what he says (writes) then you are wrong and he has a message board to back himself up. Just to keep tabs on the real sprint car world it looks like he makes his rounds to the hoseheads and pitgate message boards multiple times per day for years now (how would you like to be his wife or kid if that's all he did all week?) He likes to keep his nose in everything and always claims to have the inside track on all things involving Ohio sprint car racing. He really is a big deal on these boards and everyone needs to get out of his way. He shut the pitgate board down for reasons that are obvious to anyone with an IQ approaching 100. He just keeps throwing his jabs and backs it up wearing his All Star Shirt and his million message board posts.

I about choked reading his bashes regarding Fremont Speedway and about them supposedly paying people to show up this Saturday. Calling the kettle black.

The TRUTH is that he is a laughing stock amongst the teams running with the All Stars and doesn't generate any respect from the teams (drivers, crew, owners).

He is THE classic example of someone who makes themselves a giant through the internet, but in reality he is prettty insignificant.

Nice first post. You are right. I quit.

Former Owner/President of FAST and Black Swamp Media
Group. Currently just another fan in the stands.

I too am a frequent visitor here and on Pitgate as well as a couple other racing boards. In the last 2-3 years, I have had the opportunity to be even more involved in 410 racing than in the past and have met some super nice people as a result. Unfortunately, I must say that it is absolutely disheartening to see racefans treating others so poorly on these messageboards.

Karl Ranger ... your character asassination of Swamp is way above and beyond anything a true passionate sprint car fan would ever do or say to another. We are better people and citizens than that! You took more than a swing with your accusations and insinuations and I must ask, if it weren't for a keyboard and internet connection, would you have the guts to approach Swamp personally and tell him everything you just said in the post above? I highly doubt it. You might think you know it all but -- in actual reality -- you have no clue what the heck you are even talking about when it comes to Swamp and his involvement in sprint car racing. You see ... he not only is a huge fan himself but also works both sides of the fence too in creating sponsorship/marketing packages and websites for both track promoters as well as drivers in the All Stars and WoO.

Nutbush ... Swamp had every right to shut the Pitgate Messageboard down for a week. It was obvious that everyone definitely needed a cooling off period over there with all the b.s. that was going on. At least he was honest and revealed the real reason it was shut down knowing full well that he'd take a bunch of flack for it. Give him credit for that.

Moving on ... It continues to amaze me that so many people seem to have such an issue with the All Star series – be it Guy Webb or the people working for him. Most, if not all, of the All Star officials have full-time day jobs, devoting their free time to the betterment of the All Stars and the sport in general – not because they need the money but because they love the sport of 410 winged racing and don't want to see it fade away into the sunset. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to matter what they do or how much effort and work is put forth in promoting or improving sprint car racing, there are those who still find something to complain about (i.e. lack of series sponsor, schedule, number of regular cars/drivers, whatever)! I've heard over and over "the All Stars are not the same as the good old days when the Emicks were in charge". Well … look at what all has happened and how the world has changed since those days. Nothing is the same! Change occurs every day whether we want it to or not. It's a tough economy and the $$$$ just aren't there like they were a few years back. Plus, there are so many venues trying to grab everyone's limited entertainment dollars.

Meanwhile, the All Stars have put on some of the most exciting races I've been to in the last few years. Starting on the pole of an All Star feature does not mean an automatic win like it does so much of the time with the WoO's. Take Labor Day Weekend for example – in front of huge crowds at each track with tremendous side-by-side racing for several laps, if not the whole race, Stevie Smith started 7th and 9th in the 2 races he won and Chad Blonde started 4th in the race he won. Not one of these races was cut and dried until the checkered flag fell as it was anybody's race to win. That in itself provided a huge element of excitement to the fans as well as incentive for local drivers to race with the All Stars because they just may have a chance to win a big race.

What would we be left with, especially here in the Midwest, without a traveling series like the All Stars? A few tracks here and there across the country that race 410 sprints weekly but, worse yet, no opportunity for the local drivers to move up to better themselves. It's been said more than once that "A driver is only as good as what he races against week in and week out". Other than a few of those weekly 410 tracks (i.e. Attica, Fremont, Knoxville, and Pennsylvania), the competition tends to run fairly shallow and the purse is nothing to get excited about. Personally, I don't know of any 410 sprint car owner that can put the car on the track for less than $1,200 to win by the time you figure in the cost of tires, fuel, and motor maintenance.

So ... the All Stars have secured O'Reilly's as a series sponsor for 5 years and are diligently working with promoters to make it financially possible for them to make money on an All Star show, which will only improve the number of races on the schedule, and entice a few more car owners/drivers to follow the series. As it grows, more amenities such as reliable webcasts, transponders, and radios can easily be added to the package to make them even more efficient at providing entertainment to the fans at home and in the stands. It's basic trickle-down economics here.

As 410 sprintcar fans, we can either support the All Stars and what they are doing to keep 410 sprint car racing alive or continue to slaughter them (and each other) as we watch our beloved sport fall by the wayside like has happened to so many other series and tracks in recent days. As an American, it's our choice to do and say as we please but remember we also have to live with the consequences of our actions.

jsfan - you guys are friends so I wouldn't expect anything else from you. How do I not know about someone's involvement when I could read multiple daily posts on his expertise on the sport. Do you really think the Paris Hilton (always has to be noticed and heard from) of the internet sprint car world is that respected outside the net?

I make one post and 8 minutes later, it makes a response -get a life.

Swamp, I know your intentions are good most of the time, but dog-gone it, you are your own worst enemy most of the time! Many times things get blown WAY up and out of proportion because you don't know when, or don't have the ability to keep quiet ant let stuff pass on it's own. You are NOT helping anyone's cause with these constant responses. But I'm very sure that I'm not the first one to tell you that.

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Congrats, your first two posts are attacks on board regulars. While I consider myself one of the biggest proponents of people offering their views and opinions whether I agree with them or not, I have to seriously question what your motivation is to join and post on this board. Did you feel like making a personal attack would benefit the board? Be honest, I'm not above doing it myself from time to time. In my opinion, I think a person assumes a responsibility to contribute positively in some small way to a message board that they join. I think that I have achieved that but I'll let you tell me since you seem to be so familiar with the goings on around here.

I'm obviously here to defend Swamp. You can't accuse me of being his friend since I have only met the man one time. Infact, me and Swamp have had more than one disagreement on this board. That being said, when I met the man two weeks ago he took a good 1/2 hour out of his time to talk to me and my brother. I could tell in that short amount of time how much passion he had for this sport and the allstars. The same can be said about CoachBob. The allstars have people that are passionate for and care alot about this sport. We can ask no more of them. As a fan I'm not always happy with the schedule or what may happen but they have my never ending support. They deserve better than the shit alot of people around here give them. If you can't deal with the reality of the current situation "-get a life."

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Nutbush, Karl Ranger, and the rest - I think you hit the nail right on the head,

and JS Fan - I think you're wrong on a couple points. We have the utmost

respect and appreciation for the All Star Drivers and most of the officials,

know some personally. Great people, and you don't see them on these boards

stirring things up. I've seen some really great posts from some of the other

officials. Swamp needs to grow up and act like a professional, because whether

he realizes it or not, his actions and comments are a direct reflection on the All

Star Series. GIVE US A BREAK!!!

JSFan

  I personally have no issue with Guy Webb or the all Stars.

I also have absolutely no doubt of all the time and effort Swamp puts into the sport. But sometimes all the good in the world can be overshadowed by the bad.

Good intentions are no excuse to behave in a manner that is condesending and pompous to the fans of this sport.

I have read many times on both boards....especially the one he has control over, some of the most arrogant, mean and spiteful things.  I know that some people are just that way, but to see it coming, time and time again from an official of a major series is astounding.

I commend you for trying to defend your friend, but it really isnt going to change many opinions.

I cant speak for others, but as for me, trying to paint this as someone having a problem with the All Stars is a bit disingeniuos. It really has nothing at all to do with the series.  as an example, I cannot ever remember reading any negative posts about any other All star officials. In fact, its usually nothing but praise and thanks for others (Powerslave mentioned CoachBob).  That most of the negative posts are aimed in one direction should tell you something.  

If there is any negativity towards the series, All I can tell you is that as an Official representative  of the series, you have to expect that all you do and say will definitely reflect on that series.

I personally dont think swamp was bashing anyone!! Its stating the truth... Lawrenceburg was an awesome race both nights and I would rather watch racing on the go kart track in Lawrenceburg before I would EVER go back to Fremont. To me it is just plain stupidity when a guy schedules a race 3 weeks before the all stars biggest race of the season on the same night.. Im not bashing anyone or any series I jus think as many all star shows that have been at fremont over the previous years it was just really low to do something like that..

Big deal the only reason he even had the race was because of the Fall Classic to take cars away from Lawrenceburg.. I Guarantee you there was many more people at Lawrenceburg then there was Fremont..

I hate to jump on anyone when they are being kicked, but all of this that I am reading rings very true in my past posts when trying to discuss things with Mr. Swamp on this or the Pit Gate message board. It all comes back to my one thing when you try to voice an opinion with him. He acts in a very unproffesional way for a person in his position. Swamp don't quit just listen for once.

As far as all of the negetive comments regarding the All Stars and Mr. Webb, I really think that all of us here in the Ohio area were spoiled over the years with 4 to 5 show each year at the following tracks: Freemont Attica, KC, Wayne County & Sharon. I too miss the opportunity to go to a good All Star show two or three weekends every month, but times change and I must say that when times were that good I realized that it would not last forever. At least they are still a viable racing series and at some point in the future years they will schedule more races again in the Ohio area.

I dont usually post on these things cuz I'm too busy most of the time but I wanted to respond to this one. I don't know swamp and I rarely see the all stars down this way but I sure as heck don't see what the big deal is when you have a guy who works his tail off to promote the sport he loves and hates to see all you whine asses make stupid comments about the series he works for. That ain't right. How many of you ever get off your lazy asses and do something for the good of the sport other than sit here with your chests puffed up posting under a fake name with a fake e-mail address. At least this dude doesn't pull any punches and tells it like it is. Too bad some of you just don't like to hear it most of the time. I only wish more people who work for these series were as honest as this guy is about what goes on. Hell I learned a lot about why things are what they are and it makes sense. It sounds like a few of you have real close ties up there at Fremont and don't like to hear about whats going on in the real world. If what he says is true its a real shame to know this junk is tarnishing our sport. I don't doubt the all stars never do anything wrong either because thats just how this business is anymore. I rarely get to see any 410 racing being down here in the heart of 360 country and we have all kids of silly junk that goes on down here too. It happens. You people should be happy there is good people that work hard to bring you 410 racing and quit busting their balls all the time. You might get sick of reading swamps posts but i get sick of reading this garbage always cutting down the all stars and Guy Webb and whoever. So what if swamp is an official or whatever he is. He can have an opinion too and most times it isn't his opinions that make you all fired up. It is him responding to the junk that gets posted on here and probaly other boards like you said. I would bet that half the officials in these traveling circus shows don't even have a computer let alone know how to post a message on here. Thats probaly why you don't see them posting and telling some of you all to shut it every now and then. You all think you can just post a load of you know what and then get mad when somebody calls you out on it. Can't you all just be happy you get to see good 410 racing with a traveling show that pays good money? Come on down here and stay a while in my neck of the woods and you will be happy with what you got up there. I miss 410s. Be glad you got what you got.

I don't really care about much of this but I do want to say that I'm really glad in the All-stars getting rid of the wickers. Makes the driver win the race more often then not. It's less locked down especially on the big tracks. I enjoy that. I also say keep the race a Hilltop speedway. I stayed for the whole speedweeks show and it was awesome. If they get that track good that place is fun as hell to watch a race.