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Devils Bowl is a fairly big track, although slightly less than a true half.   The WoO quick time on night one was Daryn Pittman and I think he was right at 14.0, with Sammy fast the following night at 14.3 seconds.    I also know that the faster ASCS National cars are only slightly slower.    TBJ turned a lap in a heat race last year at 14.18 and several drivers were dipping below the mid fourteen second range.    I was really expecting WoO cars to be well below 14 seconds, but they weren't.  

I think some of the problems is the rising cost of the sancationing fees, the Outlaws are losing tracks, ASCS is losing tracks, some tracks can't afford to pay higher purses, or they would rather just pocket the money and then complain that their car counts are down. The big losers are the owners and drivers. I know racing is money driven, but dirt track racing is struggling enough right down.

I posted these numbers on another topic, felt it was worth re-posting on this thread!

All Satrs 54 nites - 2015 

USAC Sprints 44 Nights - 2015

ASCS National Tour 43 nights - 2015 (47 nights in 2014)

NSL 29 nights - 2015

**Not Much difference when it comes to the amount of races in each series.

**ASCS region drivers have won many National Tour races. I can post up at least 10 off the top of my head!

**Track promoters set the ticket prices not ASCS. 

**There are over 1000 360's across Amercia...I would bet there's not 1000 305's.

** The ASCS Natioanal Tour average car count was somewhere around 35 last year...How many series have that good of a average car count?

As I said the other day...

"I've promoted my share of National Tour races at tracks around Kansas City, and broadcasted all the ASCS National Tour races for the last seven years. I have a lot of passion for the tour, so I'm always going to be quick to react when people bag on ASCS...call it loyality. With that being said, I still love all forms of open wheel racing, winged, non winged, 410, 360, 305, micros..etc! Just take a look at our website and you'll see that's the truth. I don't understand why we all don't work together to promote open wheel racing....wouldn't that be better for all??"

Let all work together, not against each other...PLEASE!!

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I still haven't figured out how 305's are so "boring" in comparison.  It has been mentioned that 360's are about 1 second slower than 410's.  At Knoxville, 305 to 360 and 360 to 410 is about the same gap .  I am not seeing the difference I guess.  Can you really FEEL the difference from 410 to 305?  In a 15 lap race, that adds what, 30 seconds to the ENTIRE RACE...... 

Maybe I am just biased?  LOL

I don't actually care if the National ASCS tour stays or goes. That being said comparing 360's to 410's is stupid! 410's are far more entertaining to watch. The best Sprint Car drivers run 410s not 360s. The driver talent in a 410 compared to a 360 is huge. How many people show up to watch the 360 nationals compared to the 410s. In short 410 cars and drivers trump the 360 boys everday pf the week. 

Depends on your perspective.   I quit going to WoO races at Devils Bowl long before they had stopped going there.   Paying huge $$$ for low car counts lost my interest eventually, even watching the likes of Swindell and Kinser.    I guess if I was infatuated with seeing Kinser lead a high speed freight train around a big half mile, then I could have kept going.    If the WoO had been about quality competition and good racing, then one guy wouldn't have won the championship 20 times.

On the other hand, ASCS was cheaper and had higher car counts.   The racing was much better too, and the only thing lost on a big 1/2 mile was a 1/2 second on the stopwatch.   And as I stated in an earlier post, now that speed difference is almost negligible at maybe .2 seconds.   IMO, the ASCS has been a much better deal.   I would also add that my favorite driver, Gary Wright, beat the WoO on several occasions.    I happen to care greatly about whether the ASCS tour stays around or not.   It's about the only time good sprint car racing comes to this area, and 305's ain't good.  

I think some of the key verbage in the post above is that they were cheaper.  Had they stuck to their rules package, the amount of ASCS cars would still be on the way up, as opposed to the issues they are creating with opening up their rules and a new motor. 

As a fan, the attractiveness of watching an ASCS National race is the amount of cars, not necessarily the quality.  I have been to plenty of Outlaw shows that had 22 cars, and it is pretty clear who the top 5 are before the green flag drops.  The ASCS shows I have seen have been 35 plus cars, and there are always 1-2 locals who are able to take down the National boys.  Of course, with all the rule changes, it appears as if the ASCS is going to drive away a lot of the lower buck teams, which is really crappy.  Last year the count was 1600 360 cars vs. 700 305's per Jim Harris.  The 305's have a looooooonnnnggg way to go before they match the 360 car counts.  But if ASCS keeps going, they are going to wreck the class that they founded.

In terms of purse, I don't understand the complaints.  You get 150 to start the B, and 400 to start the A.  I think that the B main money is equal to what the back 8 cars get at Knoxville for making the A.  Seems to me that

I was at Knoxville the year LucasOil became the sponsor for the ASCS. I was hanging around the pits with friends that had ties to some 360 racing. You ScottT and other 360 Hahn supporters actually turned me away from 360's. You guys ragged on the WoO and bragged of their demise with Lucas Oil coming on board. Since that week I really have no use for racinboys or anything asbs related. I live in 410 country and don't have to deal with the 360. As for losing tracks, the WoO has over 90 dates this year, I think they are doing alright. With the new NSL and revamped ASCOC I see a ressurgence in the 410 sprints, where as the overpriced cheater 360 series is laboring a bit. Long live the 410's!

If the ASCS national tour needs the regional teams to race with them to get a decent car count then it would seem to me that the WOO do the same thing since there is only  a dozen or so teams listed on their full time roster, as is the same with alot of series , so what gives ?

World of Outlaws

NSL

ASCoC

ASCS National and Regionals

USAC

USCS

Multiple 305 Series

Muliple Speedweeks

Knoxville 410/360 National

Short Track National

Pa.Posse 

And several other big Events

 Openwheel racing never been better.

Remember, the bitch ate the apple, it will never be a perfect world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would rather see the ASCS pull cars from the regional series than to see the WoO offer incentives to 360's to get 24 cars, then watch them "start and park"....

Feel or hear the difference more likely. I enjoyed watching you all in the 305's at Kville last year.  The competition was pretty good and the class was full of different story lines. Made around a dozen trips last summer (300 miles round trip) and though they weren't specifically to see the 305 class, you all were a part of the show. I, for one, appreciate that.

Geographically, watching 410s race around SW oklahoma is not an option. That being the case I support what classes we do have around. I drive 4-5 hours to watch ASCS regional and National shows and will drive a couple of hours to see our 360 2bbl guys run, winged OCRS and the new non-wing WOW series. If Lanny schedules 305's to run along with the ASCS it's gravy! I would much rather watch a competitive (allthough slower) field of 305's than 60 sport mods that will add an hour to the program. I will continue to support the sprints in this area as much as I can, and hope that the complainers don't get ANY series shut down.

The type of motor doesnt matter, 410, 360, or 305 are all good and its about the racing. Why are we so set on speed of the cars... Who cares, if cars are passing we should be happy.

What is the total cost difference between a National ASCS motor vs a 410? And how many nights can you get before a refresh or rebuild. thats what really matters, its about comparing measurables.

I was at the Knoxville nationals and i heard guys saying 410 motors at the WOO level are 10-12 nights depending on the tracks and being rebuilt. so what does an ASCS motor life look like.

The aluminum block issue is an easy one for me. I will not buy one, I will not race against one. It makes the decision to buy fishing boats a no brainer. The head rules cost me another 2 grand this year. I am over spending money every year or two on a "spec" head.