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Never hit stationary objects!

Bingo.There are even some of these ridiculous shows that pay practically (if not) the same for each position. They eliminated Super Late Models at many places that payed $1500- $2000 to win and now pay $700 to win for crate late models at many places. There are modifieds and 4 cylinder classes that race for more than some 305s do.

Once again, to reiterate the entire philosophy of the IMCA Racesaver sprint series, here is a quote directly from the series' website:

Did you know that the average sprint car purse pays the winner 10  times the amount earned by the 24th place car? Races run under RACESAVER® plan  pay the 24th starter at least 1/2 of the winner's purse. A typical  purse would pay the winner between $150 to $300 and the 24th starter $100 to $150.  No, that isn't a lot of money, but that is exactly the plan. Big money, brings big problems.  You can be competitive for under $150 per night. Now you can race, pay the mortgage, and send the kids to school.

To avoid having people buy their wins, the purses are spread much more evenly throughout the field. So, if you follow some folks' reasoning and pay more, you completely defeat the purpose of the series.

Check out their website; you might learn something.

http://racesaver.com/

I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.

If you flip a 410 car frame ok Front Axle, Rearend, Wing, Plus Radius Rods price $5000 in parts est.

If you flip a358/360 car frame ok front axle, rearend, wing, plus radius rods price $5000 in parts est.

If you flip a 305 car frame ok, front axle, rearend, wing, plus radius rods price $5000 in parts est.

Purse 410 Outlaw, Posse, 10,000 to win

Purse 410 regular purse $3500 to $5000 to win, If only 6 car $1500 to win

Purse 358/360 purse $1500 to $3500 to win in most cases 

Purse 305 $150 to $350 to win

Motor price 410 35,000 to 45,000

Motor price 360 ASCS 35,000 to 60,000

Motor price 305 10,000 to 20,000

The only place that saves money is the tracks. Because the pit passes and driver / car entry are the same no matter the class.

To build a new car minus engine is still around $15,000

SC;

I'm not sure where you get your figures from, but here is the weekly payout for the IMCA Racesaver sprints at Eagle Raceway:

1st: $700

2nd:  500

3rd:   400

4th:   350

5th:   350

6th:   325

7th:   300

8th:   295

9th:   290

10th: 285

11th: 280

12th: 275

13th: 270

14th: 265

15th: 260

16th: 255

17th through 20th: 250

It is the same total purse that was paid to the 360 sprints in the past, so there is NO savings to the track.

As for $20,000 motors....well; that's been hashed & rehashed.

I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.

Please make sure French spells your name right on the check for the PR work.

It is great that Eagle can pay the same purse as they used to pay the 360s, but what do all the other tracks and competitors think about that?  Also, if Eagle Guy and track worked this hard to promote 360s would they even be in the middle of this?

Bingo!!!! We have a winner..! If they spent half as much time promoting the 360's as they have trying to convince us of this nonsense they wouldn't be in this ridiculous discussion.

305's are the herpes of sprint cars

$700 to win and $250 to start for 360s certainly explains why 360 racing died at Eagle.

Did you know that the average sprint car purse pays the winner 10  times the amount earned by the 24th place car? Races run under RACESAVER® plan  pay the 24th starter at least 1/2 of the winner's purse. A typical  purse would pay the winner between $150 to $300 and the 24th starter $100 to $150.  No, that isn't a lot of money, but that is exactly the plan. Big money, brings big problems.  You can be competitive for under $150 per night. Now you can race, pay the mortgage, and send the kids to school.

Your payout doesnt reflect the rule above you keep stating.....I dont see your last place starter making at least half of what the winner takes home?

I also have another question just to make things clear...... On your 305 IMCA Racesaver Nationals, do you have to complete at least one lap to get your $1000 start money?

It never ceases to amaze me how people with absolutely NO clue as to the inner workings of an entity can have such strong opinions of how things actually have happened. Truly awe-inspiring!!

What's the old saying? "Those who can, do; those who can't, spout nonsense".

I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.

I think more than anything Eagle wants to prove a point with the 305's.  They are paying the same purse they paid the 360's but i can guarantee you they are not seeing as many people in the stands as a result of it.  How many fewer? Its hard to tell.  The car counts have gone up, you have people coming out of the woodwork to drive these things.  You have less than a handful of drivers i would consider sprint car guys driving these things.  I just don't see how how winning the Supernationals pays 2,000 to win and 1,000 to start.  What motivates a person to lay it on the line and try to drive it to the front?  Not that everyone races for the money, but it does matter when considering how hard your going to drive.  The way its structured its purely a hobby class, nobody with aspirations of bettering their racing career will ever drive one, which means you will not see the caliber of racing.  If you try to sell people on them based on great racing, you can go to your local amusement center and see good racing watching the go karts.

Here is why this class is important here in Central California:  we need a bridge between micro racing and 360/410 sprints. Also there are several people interested if they can race and keep racing for less $$$. We Have multiple tracks that run weekly 360 races, and a successful 360 travelling series that between all that leaves limited race dates for us. We are too far South. 

So, since I run USAC events 7 times, 3 410 wing events (including WoO) along with 2 Large 360 wing events I feel it important to find a class that bridges the cost and experience gap. 

This is is NOT the "spec sprint" of California. And I personally purchased a engine because I believe our area needs this to help GROW open wheel racing.  I appreciate the work French and Roger have put into this. 

I am am not replacing anything. this program will help our area keep racing. And many of my local sprint car teams are supporting the Racesaver plan while still maintaining their 360 engines. 

Lets go racing!

Scott Woodhouse
Kings Speedway
www.kingsspeedway.net
559-381-1439

3/29 Opening Night!
4/11 STP World of Outlaws Sprint Car Series

crashing a car costs the same. True. 

But maintenance, tires etc is much less. Not just the cost do the engine but the $4500-$6000 freshen twice a year....

again: I LOVE ALL SPRINT CARS!  Just need a good ground to build new racers scared of their used $18000 engine trying to compete with the $30k plus guys while running non-competitive laps. Need 8-22 to feel like a 1-10th guy before getting to the track. 

And those that know me know I'm very passionate about all my divisions and love my racing family. 

Scott Woodhouse
Kings Speedway
www.kingsspeedway.net
559-381-1439

3/29 Opening Night!
4/11 STP World of Outlaws Sprint Car Series

Out of one side of their mouths they praise the accomplishments of the legends of the sport and out of the other side they bad mouth 305's.  Fact is those legends of years gone by never turned a lap in those old cageless machines as fast as today's 360's and the HOF walls are lined with their photos.  Kind of an amusing dichotomy, don't you think? 

Stan Meissner

To answer you question in the above quote.

A typical purse would pay between $150 to $300 to win.