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I appreciate all of you keeping our post or race up on the front page by picking it to death. We are having this race for the 3rd time now. It gets more successful each year with more and more cars. ASCS car rules simply takes away the need to say wing slider ok, titanium rotors ok, no wicker bill on dish wing, 1 inch wicker bill ok on flat wing and many more words and questions that don't have to be answered. Gary Lee Maier is working with emmett to sanction 305 in certain areas of the country so to have uniform rules. It was premature to call it an ASCS race instead of just the 305 Nationals or whatever we called it in the past.

The proposed ASCS 305 rules are almost exactly the same as Race Saver which we pretty much use here. we realize that we will not have sealed the out of town motors. We have a pump and a whistler and we check valve springs and cam lift all the time. We also have the right to tear down the winnner if it seems that someone might be cheating. So far no out of towners have ever won anyway even with their more lenient motors. Maybe this time someone will get it done.

Mean while don't worry yourselves to death over how we do it, just come on and race if you are a racer or keep typing and don't come if you are a worrier.

Happy New Year.

Royal

There's a 305 class that runs in West Memphis Ark. Head rule is 64cc , steel , no porting of any kind , 202/160 valves , 120lbs valve spring pressure. I think the rest of the engine is about the same as the Race Saver. What kind of weight would these cars have to add to race at the New Mexico race?

I dont think our worries are about your once a year race, at least mine are not, I can handle a run what you brung 305 race once a year no problem. My real concern is that ascs will come in to most parts of the country and mess up a class that works, it is not broken. When the 360 ascs class started it was with the notion that it was going to save racers alot of money compared to 410 outlaw engines, have you priced a competetive 360 lately. Now if ASCS is going to have the same rules as the Racesaver program and they are going to tech and seal there engines just like racesaver then most of my concerns would go away, someone mentioned a 1 percent rule on the lift, springs checked at 500 lift only, right there alone I need a better cam and better springs to take advantage of the leway that is there. You mention that you have the right to tear down an engine on the winner if you think they are cheating, does that mean that a racetrack running ascs sanction will be tearing down every main event winners motor, cause if you are not and motors are unsealed and you think that all motors are going to stay legal then Mr. Emmet is the best brainwasher ever. longer rods, ceramic lifters, bigger, lighter valves, head porting,titanium pieces, all items that a racer with resources can easily afford, motor can still be 313 cubic inches and springs be 355# at 500, and yet all those other parts can only be found by tearing down a motor.

Missippi, we would have you at 1600lbs. We hope you come over, it's a lot of fun.

Hyvolt, those are good points. Fortunately we have a good group that techs the motors. This is a must to keep any class from getting out of control. I agree that the 360.s have gotten out of control for the regular Sat night racer. Hopefully people learn from their mistakes and the past.

The price of the heads just went up because of this. This is why i am worried. Btw the reason you can be competive for $150 is if your going to only get 150-200 a night for pay out why would you by brand new tires every race, and spend 15,000. Granted people still do and ive seen guys with flea market cars and tires still win races..

If it ain't no big deal, then will SNM please sponsor me when i build my new engine since the heads are now $500 more then we could get them before.

snm speedway

I think your yearly race is a great thing for the 305, I have been to it and it is a whole lot of fun, you always do what you say and more, excellent racing and friendly people, and you are right it has always been a local winning it, That is a testament to the local talent you all have, I think everyone else in the country should take that as a challenge ang go try and beat your local guys. Back to saturday night racing though, does that mean that if your track goes to ASCS sanctioned 305 that they will be sealed? Cause if not, you havent learned from your mistakes.

AMEN to you brother.Look at the 305 class at Knoxville, these guys are spending over 15,000 for a damn 305 motor. Crazy, fools and they want this to be an affordable class. Yea right. People always screwing up a good thing because if they knew how to drive and compete they wouldnt always try to win by spending more. Shut up and drive.

anyone that still believes there is an "affordable" form of racing is living under a rock. I know a guy that races a door banger and he has $20k in motor/tranny. Much like the race-savers, they race for $300 to win

305's are the herpes of sprint cars

Racesaver has convinced Promotors that drivers will run for nothing, and they can make more money for themselves instead of paying a decend payout. I agree they have a good thing and not saying its not working, but if it is a Racesaver Sanctioned event it should be open to any car that has a legal motor in it, not a invititational series. Dont be scared of competion,, race

Don't lump everyone together, not all of us have $15K in our motors.....

Never hit stationary objects!

Never hit stationary objects!

We don't think anyone really has 17,000.00 in a RacerSaver type 305 motor. I guess if you could get someone to give you that much for one you would smile all the way to the bank or go build a couple more brand new ones.

All that being said- if it is legal, bring it and race, it's not our business how much you spend or don't spend on it.

After engine rebuild costs, food, fuel, tires. EVERYTHING, it ends up costing me ~150-175 a night to go racing, including winnings.

Do we KNOW they have that much in them, or do people ASSUME there is that much in them? I have been accused of having $24K in my motor on this forum. I would sell it for that, and could build at least 3 more just like it with the cash!!!

I don't really understand what the issue is with people having "X" amount of dollars in their motors. If you don't have to spend that much, then what is the problem? If someone wants to spend $15K on a 305, let them....then go out and beat them with a half price motor.

/Racesaver type engine weight rule for this race is 1500lbs. Midwest 305 1600lbs

Cars like in Tn with exact motor but steel heads and 64CC 1550.lbs.

Never hit stationary objects!

You must either get your pit passes free or you don't buy many. I can spend a $100 bill a night easily on pit passes.

I know there are a few, and by few I mean 2 that I know of, that are spending that kind of money on 305. The more reasonable price I have been hearing for Knoxville is $8-10K. Which, sounds like a lot for what the purse is, but it is a 1/2 mile, you have to buy some decent parts to make them last at that track. I am not trying to argue with anyone, just don't want people to assume that all Knoxville cars are spending that on thier stuff. There are a lot more motors out there that were less than $10K than there are more than $10K...