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I'm sorry but why not let the dry sumps run for what knoxville pays leave the rest of the money for the guys that run the MW305 rules jmo

I sure hope that the guys who vote with the MW 305 Association are paying attention to this. It looks like the majority are saying "leave the rules alone" and let Knoxville do thier own thing. Just keep running good shows and paying well and the MW Association will do just fine. If the Knoxville guys want to run MW races let them buy another motor. After all, if they can afford $10000+ on thier motors, well enough said.

3D, Hope to see you at the track in 2011 if we cross paths racing at the same track.

Good luck in 2011!!

Just did some quick math based on results from the two web sites.

Midwest 305's had 8 races in 2010 with an average care count of 12.75 cars

Knoxville showed 11 races on the 2010 schedule but did not show results for 8/28/10, don't know if they did not have them or what the reason for being on the schedule and not on results. So based on the 10 races they did show 305 results for,.

Knoxville 305's had 10 races in 2010 with an average car count of 20.9 cars

Alot of the reason for high car counts at k-ville is just the prestege of saying I drove @ k-ville not the money, whats ur thoughts? I guess 3D said it best they could just buy another engine!

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sprintcrew. I may see you at the track but we won't be racing. Ryan and I had agreed prior to last year that 2010 would be our last year. I have since sold the car. Which car are you?

Going Sprintcar racing can be lots of fun,,, ,if you dont have to go Broke doing it...I support the 305 racers 100% they are the true Budget Racers..all the thrills of Sprintcar racing without the crazy costs..and without the Big Buck guys ruining the racing with (lots of ti parts and big illegal cheater engines)...This division is already producing Champions of the future..So forget the expensive cylinder head porting and the dry sump oil systems..Let this division grow and get more people involved in racing.

I thought you were Ryan, sorry. That's too bad, he is a great driver and a great guy. We appreciate that he was able to travel out of his way in NW Iowa and race with us and other events. I think Jackson or Knoxville was the last time I talked to him. At least he has a few wins under his belt. I am with the green 55 car, if I have time.

So you figure that if I have $10K to build a motor (which it wasn't that expensive) with a drysump, I must have another $7500 to build another motor to run elsewhere? I don't know where you get your figures from, but money doesn't grow on trees around here. I built 1 motor, now I want more places to race.

Maintenance and luck are very important when it comes to motor reliability, but after running 360's and 305's since '99, I don't blame our motor loss on that. We know how to maintain our cars, luck, well that may be another story. This motor starved for oil and killed the bearings, that wasn't a maintenance issue. Not a problem since putting the dry sump on though.....

It doesn't matter what they do up there Knoxville is going to kill the deal. I don't think you will continue to get races book at $700 to win with 13 cars showing up. They relied on the Des Moines area cars to help fill up the shows. If the guys that run Knoxville have a dry-sump system on and cant go up there it equals no cars, no cars equal no shows. Like it or not Knoxville is screwing the 305 deal up. It comes down to just pure laziness on their part. They don't want to have to tech inspect anything so its easier to just open up all the rules. I'm a big fan of letting the dry-sump into the 305 class. Letting them port the heads on the other hand is going to take the motor cost right up there with a 360. Good luck on your vote. Its seems to be a no win unfortunately. Burlington seems to have a good deal going but they also have a good field of local cars to help fill the show up.

The easy fix is to ban head porting & allow the dry sump engines to race with a 100 lb weight penalty.i am sure when it comes time to build the spare engine it will not have a dry sum system

hey we run an accusump on our car bearings looked nice as when we put them in an it only costs 150 just a thought why do you need dry sump when the accusump does almost the same thing!

Just to set the record straight... we are NOT changing the MidWest engine rules for 2011. We may have a vote on a "trial"period on the Knoxville rules, but the rules will be the same as in 2010. As a board member I feel that the rules in place are working well and should remain the same for 2011. I have talked to our President, Bob Hildreth, and he asked me to post that we will NOT be voteing on adapting the Knoxville Raceway 305 engine rules. Knoxville will run their rules and we will run ours. Thanks for all the interest in the 305 class!

Mark Aaron

I'm a bit cofused by your comment. You built your motor using Knoxville rules. Now you want "more places to race". Personally, knowing the difference between Knoxvilles rules and the rules of all of the other tracks and associations (and wanting "more places to race" I think I would've built my motor using the rules that would allow me to race at the most tracks. I'm not trying to be a jerk but I just don't see the logic.

You have to understand that we built it FOR Knoxville, we wanted to race at Knoxville. That doesn't mean we don't want to race anywhere else, but we wanted to be competitive there, so we went with their rules. I know you can be fast without running Knoxville rules, but they have the most "open" set of rules compared to the others, so those motors will run better given they are built right. We knew it limited our track options when we did it, but like I said, that doesn't mean we don't want to race elsewhere also.

A-men

you are correct 9A. If your engines are put togather correct the first time the wet sump system will oil a 305 quite effectivley. Racers have been using wet sump systems @ 8500/9500 rpm for last 15 years. Reputable engines will tell you this. 305s do NOT need dry sump systems ! Cylinder head porting should not be aloud af any kind ! Dart cylinder head manufactures an out box head tha should be used in its natural untouched form. MSD promags NO ! roller cams no ! I am partley to blame for rules that have alredy gotten out of hand. I was with Mid America 305s and we allowed dart heads, and larger valve spring diaaftermarket cranks and rods. WOW what a can of worms did we open !!!With that being said, purchasing used parts has not been a good experience for us, $500 USED mag by the time moose had repaired over $900 in used mag. Used injection.$700, after hilborn had to rebuild ,$1450. .This class was started for someone who wanted to race sprint carsthat otherwise would not have been able to afford it, like myself. There is always going to be someone who can afford to spend more than another. We need to keep cost down in this class. For example; MSD ProMag $1900, new Vertex $1000. Sprint style water pump $700, stock style and pulleys $250, Roller cam and lifters $850, flats tappet cam and lifters $350. throw in porting, $1000, another $750 for dry sump overwet sump. If my math is correct thats $3600. They already have a dry sump , roller cam class. Its called 360s/410s. everyone is concerned about cutting cost for 360/410 classes. They better get a handle on this pretty damed quick because $3600 is a LOT of money to me. As far as Knoxville teching. It does take a lot of time and effort. I can see where its difficult for them. Lets start with a set of rules that we can all afford, if not , open rules wide open , cylinder head, bore, stroke, titanium, then lets see what happens. Hope I didnt offend any one , but htis is my honest oppinion.

Mark Widmar

Ottumwa Ia.

Man that deals getting out of hand.