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The rearend had been setup for and mounted with wishbones. It had a Halibrand center with Nance sideplates. It is with the smaller axle, tapered of course.

By the way, that rear axle was so close to the wishbones that a 4" offset wheel with tire would rub against it.

Brian,

The rearend that I sold with it had a Halibrand center section, I had purchased Nance side plates, used the original ring & pinion, I had bought a used 50" heads up tapered axle. I had shackle plates off another car to convert it to wishbones. That car was wide so it would be tight on wheel off-set. As I said I sold it before I had a chance to put it all back together, I was going to have DP build me some wishbones and then I would have put it back together, who ever bought it could have made wishbones and welded mounts on frame. Did you actually measure the axle OD at the side plate?

My Uncle says it's a 2 1/2"

When I measure it, it comes out to 2.05". Years ago I wanted to make an Inboard brake for this axle, just never got it done. I got the same measurement then too.

The wishbone plates are chrome by the way if that means anything.

Where the bumper mounts into caps, --------on the backside of those caps it has a logo----"Ramset"

Rear bumper is the same too, along with tabs for a brace down to frame.

Did the rear axle come out of a Billy Patton car? Slightly bent?

That's what I was told, but it has been 30+ years!

Here's the car in '87. The biggest sponsor we had was a Bookie! LOL

The tail was raised an inch or two since we had a larger fuel can.

I like this version better.

The rear wheels were redrilled for a 6-pin.

Brian,

Shackle plates were painted black, somebody could have chromed them. In the pic of thr red car the nerf bars look the same, the rear bumper looks the same, front radius rods look the same. I'm going to agree with Gary if it isn't his old #35 it's damn close. The rear axle could have been changed again, the axle I put in the rear end was 2.5" on the tube OD.

My Uncle even tells me it's 2.50" axle. But when I measure it, at the sideplate, it's a 2".

He never got to run this car since the oil boom was going on and at the time he was working his way into a partnership for Drillers Engines in OkC. For a time that car may have been parked out there and then it eventually ended up in Moore at his house until a divorce changed everything. Between the divorce and the oil bust issues, it became time to move it down here.

Thus, AFTER he put the rearend in it, he never really messed with that end of it again since he was convinced he would be dealing with it later, which he never did.

Which leads me to ponder this- At the time he had bought the car, 2" rear axles were no longer in vogue, 2.5" -3" axles were coming in pretty strong to stay. I wonder if someone might have slipped another rear end under it while he was out on a job for Drillers. It may have been in the yard there at one time. Considering the stories I've heard about what it sometimes took to just have a running car in those days, it's very possible.

It now has a steel splined 3" under it by the way. I set it up for Nance arms from the later years with 29" bars.

It's still just a pipe frame car, but it's neat little pipe frame car.

Brian,

What is your uncle's name, seems like I remember a man from driller's engine calling me one time about a rear end he had bought, also you mentioned he lived in Moore, I remember going to Moore to look at a Rear End under this guys car. I just need to wreck my brain alittle because I don't remember it being this car. Seems who ever he bought the car from told him I had built the rear end but if I remember right it wasn't a rear end that I had built but I was able to kinda give him some guide lines on what to do. Another option here do you know who he bought the car from? He might have bought it from who I sold it to and they may have swapped the rear ends or kept it for another car. I bought several used cars starting out and swapped in the best parts or what I thought were the best parts!!

If Gary checks in he might be able to tell me who built the motor that was in the car when I bought it, might have been Boyd, anyway it was 1 of the best 6 cyl. engines that Jarvis and I ran, we had a couple that Harold Jenks had helped us with and a couple that Nix did some work on. Then we went to Wellington KS and got a Richardson 6 cyl. engine and that is the 1 that scalded my ass when the head gasket blew, it was fast but you couldn't keep head gaskets in it and it finally split a couple of cyl. walls. The motor out of the #35 ran good and didn't blow up!!

Cecil Satterwhite

David:

The motor was from Boyd. Louis did all my motors for several cars/years. I racked my brain and remembered that I bought the chassis, a body, front axle with wishbones and rear end from a guy that worked at Tinker by the name of Ray Culvey. I even have a few pictures of body/chassis when I bought it. The chassis was new, body used (#91). I did all work building and assembling. The body was a real large/wide Edmonds copy and was way to wide for the chassis. I cut the top down the middle, removed material and fiberglassed back together. I did the same for the tail, except I cut a pie shape out of it. If Brian still has the original tail, he might look inside and see if it was cut and narrowed. The rear end was Halibrand champ center section with bells welded to a late model 9" Ford big bearing rear housings. By using these axles (which were straight versus tapered) you could take to machine shop, have shortened and resplined real easily and cheap.

GRC35

The top fits the description. The tail looks solid down the middle but the sides look like they were brought in. Interesting note is there is a lot of blue overspray inside of the tail. There is also a patched spot where the fuel fill was, which was off-center.

I got to go to work. Talk later

2 more minutes

If it is the same car, Gary how many features did you win with it ? At Lawton alone?

This is a photoshop of what the car is headed to, once there it'll get the colors my Uncle used. I'll be the guy out by the hiway with a sign that says-"will work for engine parts"

Explain in detail where you saw or where you can see the logo "Ramset". The reason I am asking is that when I owned this car, I worked for a company called Ramset Fastening Tools. I might have used some of their products on the car! Might be a coincidence, but?

GRC35

Is the driver in the cowboy hat Jerry Everhart?

GRC35,

I remember the name Ray Culvey I think he still raced some after you bought this car. The rear end was just like you said, after I crashed it I used the center section and R/P bought side plates from Nance and purchased a used 2&1/2" axle to put together an OT rear end, I sold the Chassis and everything that went with it except for the engine.

Brian, You need to ask your uncle if he called me to come look at a rear end, after you mention that name I believe his name might have been Cecil.

I don't remember what finally become of that engine but it was a good 6 cyl., Jarvis and I went differant ways for a year or two but I believe he may have ran it somemore.

Bkcr,

The guy in the cowboy hat, Richard Harvey driver of SM #59, Jim will remember Richard well he was a DE Suggs protoege at least that's what I would call it, Richard worked hard on his cars and pretty well did it himself, he raced mainly at OKC, some at Goldsby and Lawton. I believe his son and Richard build cars on the west coast now days at least that's what I've heard. I believe Richards last car either Dale Sasser or Terry Coker drove it or maybe both, Jim could probably answer that for me.

Richard was one of the Round-Up regular's you could go in there about any time of the night and him and any # of other racer's would be in there. I've posted in here already about the Jerry Oliver Opal fight that Dutch & Richard got into at the Round-Up, can remember it like yesterday that Richard telling Jack Davis & myself about how he had Opal, as we took him to the hospital to get his left eye sewed up, Richard had knuckle prints inbeded into his forehead I don't think Richard had him near as bad as he thought.