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My thoughts and prayers go out to the Sanders Family.

I first meet and watching Tom race his Modified in the early 80's when my father was working for Larry Hill, doing the PR for the speedway. Tom was a great gentleman.

Rest In Peace Tom

In 74 at 81 Speedway Don won the modified 35 lap main. Frank Lies lost his steering in his super heat race. He used the 501 in the super 50 lap A main and finished 4th after starting 19.

I'm not so sure though if Wade (who was the winner) and McElreath didn't lap the field. The bad thing about that race was Merrick's 5 State Nationals in Liberal were the same night. I believe they ran more than one night in Liberal back then.

This car I'm pretty sure became the 58 of Duane Cain

Warren Vincent
Cans 4 Kansas Heroes

Hey when's the last time you saw one of these?

Brian,

Lots of interesting stuff here, #1 alot of stick rod on this car, #2 real homemade parallel bars, look at those home made arms, #3 it looks like it has cross torsion set-up also, multiversed, slick and need sidebite run it as it's set-up, heavy track switch it to cross torsion. #4 the chain hook-up we actually moved the links up or down on the bar to change wgt. #5 frame cut outs were great until you crashed into the wall backwards, when you pulled them out the frame might go anywhere, #6 it appears to be a main rail car so probably home built 2"/2 1/8" black pipe possible if it is ERW or DOM it was up town, #7 panhard bar (sway bar) sure has alot of angle, also looks homemade even though it does have a heim in it, #8 looks like an AC DELCO fuel pump mounted to the right frame rail but I'm not for sure, #9 I always worried about the battery located under the seat on the left side especially with an open driveline, #10 I believe I have mates to that blue jack stand and use them ever week.

I think Jim would agree with me back in this day if you came up with the trick deal it was a big advantage until somebody saw your trick and then instead of calling Eagle or Maxim and ordering it, you just pulled out your torch and welder and built it!!!!

It appears that it could be a "homemade quickchange", the housings have been shortened, they left a small piece of tubing in the right frame rail, maybe a former fuel line. Also appears there is a left frame bracket to bolt the sway bar to until they installed the battery in the way. I have never seen chain used like this. I have seen a chain link between a cross torsion arm & the rear end housing when wishbone radius rors were used. .......Luther

Yeah, haven't seen that set-up since late 60's, early 70's. You can even see where they sectioned the lower frame rail with bolts to get the rear end in & out.

I do remember when guys would chain the cars down to keep from flexing so bad. Some old tech never quite goes away though, when Steve Smith was kicking butt with the blue T-bird in pro stock, he was chaning the left front down to make it stick & I would say it worked well for him.

This is the one that shocked me a little. It may have been added on later but I'm not sure. It is a Jacobs ladder from the IL Smith narrow body car. This one is mounted on the left side. I was thinking late 60's cars were using panhard bars.

It is off of this car here

Here's a shot you don't see everyday

Lanny Edwards owned a car or two in those days. Harold Lindsey is pretty convinced he may have built the hood for this car since he made quite a few. Falcon fenders with a spacer in the middle.

I was under the impression the Edmunds body was the first fiberglass body in this territory but these were here first. Jim Hysaw and JL Nash (in car)

I fabricated this type anti sway bar for the car #5 and all cars I built after that. I copied it from a car Don Brown built on the west coast. I built mine in winter of 65/66. The key to making this work is all 4 bolt holes have to be the same distance apart. I think mine were 7" hole to hole. That includes the end of the bracket with the heim joint. The heim joint end on mine was bolted to a tab on the bird cage on the open tube & the 2 shackles were mounted to upper & lower frame tubes on a space frame. I mounted mine on the left side. If the holes are the same, you can unbolt the heim joint & move it up & down in a straight line. If not , the heim joint will arch in movement. Stan Borofsky changed his from left to right side on the last car I built for him. I think the theroy was pushing against the right rear tire was better then pulling against the left rear. Don Brown built his car in the early 60s.

Luther

Jim,

Is that Jerry Havill out side of Tom, it looks like the #6 Red Walker car? This is the car Tom had when he smashed me when I unhooked his belts, he was a pretty good size guy back then.

Luther,

I've only seen 1 Roberts QC before this pic. here I was pretty young then but can remember going to Pee Wee Long's shop and he had a brand new one in a midget, it didn't look quite as big probably 1/2 this size but it was the reason we went over to his house to see it. I think they were more promenent in Stock Cars, they look plenty heavy duty.

The chain on the housing is something we used alot on parallell bar cars the trick here is the chain is wrapped around the back side of the housing, we welded 3-4 links onto housing then pulled down to arm, I'm to young to remember the reason but it had to do with forward bite.

Learn something new everyday. That tube coming out of the mainrail is a radiator overflow line. Kept the steam/water from getting on the tires, driver, etc. Turns out it was a very common practice.

Luther,

Don't you love this pic. here, square tube roll cage with 1/4" plate gusset's, and that ladder built out of flat steel strap welded together, this is 1 of my pet peeve's today not many people would have the skill or want to just start out hewing metal to build a car, this car was probably built in the garage floor just starting with a bunch of steel tubing, in this instance square tubing as they probably didn't have a pipe bender so it was easier for them to fit-up. You have built cars, very nice stuff from what I've seen so I'm sure you can appreciate what these guys here have done with what they had to work with!!!

Brian,

I thought that might be the use of that brake line sticking out of the main rail, I can remember on the old Jarvis #20 that we drilled a 3/8 hole in the main rail ahd ran a piece of tubing down it, I can also remember laying on the ground changing gears on a red and that damn tube spitting hot water out on me!!

I can relate to all of it. I even used wooden pop cases to put under my car to set up the chasis. They were 4 inches tall. I could shim up from there. The anti sway bar I copied from Don Brown's car was all made with 3/16 X 1 flat steel. I used 2 straps for each shackle & 3/16 plate for the end of the bracket the heim joint was attached to. The Don Brown built car is on page 38 of "High Plains Thunder" as #3 with Ed Leavitt in it. The Don Brown car had a unique brake leverage in it. When you push the pedal, the linkage had an offset shacke that slowed to plunger to the cylinder & gave more leverage.

Luther

The way you set it up (equal distance from all points) makes a lot more sense to me since it is an anti-sway bar. I can also understand the "push rather than pull" idea too.

Remember when Shotgun Sams used to do pizza deals after the races? They also gave a certificate for a free large pizza to the trophy dash winners. In 1972, Leep won a trophy dash, me & Ernie were walking through the pits & Harold called us over.

Said he couldn't stay in town after the races so we should take his certificate & have a pizza on him! I thought that was just about the neatest deal ever! Never will forget that. Those old racers were such good role models, & always paid attention to the kids.

Always a Leep fan, Jim.