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Someone cheating in the perfect sprint car series? Surprise, surprise!

IMCA lets illeagal cars run for 3 MONTHS...typical. They don't want to piss anyone off so they go race a non IMCA series or track.

I'd call French Grimes and discuss it. Engine buildeed and engine sealers supposed to have consequences for doing something illegal on theses motors. I would also think Roger at Eagle Raceway would be on the look out for this and not want to ruin what a great thing he has done for Sprint car racing . 

this is the point we are going to look back on to see if the cheating was allowed or squashed.  You can always look back and find a fork in the road where a series or class begins to go south as far as $$$ to compete.   And its usually rule enforcement and the transperancy that goes along with that.  If this is true are they just gonna slap a few hands or get down to business and set an example moving forward?  There is also a rumor french was at eagle last weekend and there was a DQ.  Can anyone validate that or is it just a rumor?

In order for the series to survive and keep growing . The rules need to be enforced and more than just slapping hands. Rules state what is to happen to engine sealers , cheaters, etc  if you want to keep integrity in this class you need fines and suspensions because there are a lot of others out there racing sealing engines building engines the correct way and not blatantly cheating. To not enforce the rules is saying that the ruling body is not a man of their own wordS. Not trying to be harsh but if it's illegal then it's illegal. Tell French what's in your engine and then you will know for sure if it's legal. Im  sure they will be watching the Texas 305s For sure now and rightly so. 

We are aware of this situation and have been teching for it, along with every rule in the Racesaver book.

We will also be teching for this and all other rules at the pre-tech inspection each day of the Racesaver IMCA Sprint Nationals.

To the best of my knowlege, nobody was DQ'ed in the sprints last Saturday evening.

I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.

So you are going to check the crankshaft in over 50 cars per night BEFORE the races? Please explaine how this check is done.

I am not a tech person, sorry. I am just passing along the information. You could contact French Grimes if you really need the information.

And, YES, we will be teching over 50 cars each day, starting at 10 A.M.

I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.

Not trying to be a smart ass but you say your not a tech person but yes we will be teaching over 50 cars? Who is we? If the issue is out there  and known about hope you catch them.  I think a 90 day grace period is for the birds. Illegal is illegal so you should not be able to continue to compete until the motor / car is legal. Make a stand now and let it be known 

What good will it do to tech the cars pre race for an illegal crank if the sanctioning body says it is ok to cheat for 90 days? Is Eagle not going to let any cars race if found with these illegal motors even though IMCA has given them a 3 month grace period to get legal? Will Eagle officials over rule the sanctioning body?

Guess you'd better show up Thursday, Friday and Saturday to see what happens.

I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.

Quote:  Ok I'm not claiming to know all the details here but here we go.....(but all the rest of the comments have ALL the answers)........to all that are worrying about the integrity of the tech at this week's Nationals, rest assured, cars will be teched before turning a wheel (and we have Tech people that just LOVE to find things wrong (just ask any of the locals).......by the way,no technical DQ's this past Saturday after races on a lightning fast track(even with the ruts) due to previous rain and cloud cover all day Saturday.....  .07 off the track record in the heat races and  .18 in the feature (after 23 other races)......and by the way, do you guys really think it's all an engine game....If some outlaw type 305 spin-off series' didn't allow engine builders to cheat up their stuff, maybe we wouldn't be reading this thread......fact: Jason Martin has won 6+ Racesaver A Features this year (including his last 4 in a row) using engines from three different engine builders and said he couldn't really tell the difference and would feel comfortable using any of them this weekend (none of which came from Texas).......entries up to 109 as of today......oh....doom and gloom.....oh.....Racesaver is going to crumble......naysayers are getting nervous about how this series and event has grown.......as "Shack" said......maybe it's worth a trip up to Nebraska this weekend to find out for yourelf (especially on Thursday and Friday for pre-race Tech inspection..........oh, and Eagle and IMCA ever not seeing eye to eye?......Say It Isn't so!!!!....now that's some funny sh*t right there...LOL..............SC

Since you will not say they will not be allowed to race I can only assume Eagle is going to side with the IMCA and let cheaters cheat.

As I live almost 5 hours away and work 2nd shift I will not be able to attend. I would actually like to see this event sometime as I think that track is perfect for those cars.

My brother & I raced at an IMCA track for several years and got sick of them telling guys with illegal cars "you car race here but you have x amount of time to get legal or we will not let you race here after that" Sounds like they are still doing the same old shit and will ruin yet another good class just like they have others.

Quote:  Since you will not say they will not be allowed to race I can only assume Eagle is going to side with the IMCA and let cheaters cheat.

French, Roger, Jim Haines, Dean Wollen, Lee Gardner, and the rest of the Racesaver tech crew will figure it out.....and by the way.......ask any of our weekly Racesaver sprint drivers how much slack they've been cut if they don't make tech after a top 4 finish in the main the FIRST TIME with zero fix-it tickits.............SC

There is nothing for French, Roger, etc to "figure out". If they fail pre race tech for ANY REASON they make whatever change needed to pass tech or they do not race!  That should be the standard for any class, any sanction, any track. That is why they write rules!

They're on the same page as you are.....I believe thats the plan I've heard........SC

I got nothing but good things to say about Eagle, the event and for the most part the class.  That being said how this is handled sets the standard for the rest of the country that runs under these rules or those areas that do in the future.  What is the actual penalty for an engine builder who seals an illegal motor?  The first sentence on the raceaver rule page is "rules are meaningless, if not consistantly enforced."  I understand some can afford to put together a car and everything is right out of the box, i understand some can put new rubber on the rear every night.  thats part of the deal no matter what you race.  But someone sealing motors and deliberately cheating is where the example needs to be made.  If the allegations are true its unacceptable. This is a great opportunity for transparency and to show the rest of the country how it will be handled moving forward. A guy should be able to leave the house knowing he has a competative chance.  No its not all about motors but thats where it starts.  And by the way voiceofthespeedway martin is good in whatever class he races...lol

I'm still waiting to find out how you are going to tech the cranks on sealed motors before the races.... 

305's are the herpes of sprint cars

Me too!!!

My bad. I did not mean to make this about Eagle. I have heard a lot of good things about this racetrack and their  305 shows. I really just wanted to know they would still do the right thing and not allow IMCA to bully them into turning a blind eye to something in pre race tech just because IMCA doesn't have balls to do the right thing.

Totally agree. Roger has done a tremendous job. Koodos to Roger and Eagle raceway. Sucks to have to be in his spot but this can and should be taken care of by not letting those that are known to have a 90 day fix it pass race at the nationals. The 305 s are a tremendous class of drivers from young to old to veterans to new drivers compete in an affordable sprint car class. And to have the sanctioning body and engine builders ruin it for others is wrong when there is a known problem. Good luck to all it will be one heck of a show.