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Just maybe it time to Knoxville Raceway to making race changes ? While the real lure to Knoxville is the atmosphere, the number of cars, the friends and fans you meet there each year, the NSCHOF ,the auction , the food , the Iowa State Fair , the vendors on the midway , the electrifying feeling you get when your there in the town  ,all the different drivers who assemble that you don't see everywhere or at your hometown track . The racing is becoming less attractive , as being the real reason it use to be to go to Knoxville , but then I just think its this way about at all the WoO  or winged racing. Then it maybe better probably at your local tracks .But I still say if you've never been to Knoxville you have to go to experience what I mentioned , it is worth it.

Youre all over the place.  I thought racing was real good tonight.  

Maybe I am but how can it be good racing when 1 guy leads entire race , and its got nothing to do with Donny Schatz , I would say the same if any driver lead the whole race ?

I think a driver leading the whole race is one of the worst arguments for whether or not a race was good.  There was some great racing in the field tonight.  Schatz is just on another planet at Knoxville.  Are passes for the lead exciting...yep, but that doesn't mean it wasnot a good race.  BTW the race is barely an hour old and you couldn't wait to come on and complain.

Not complaining , no race is good when one driver leads entire race . And the 50 laps  or two races which has a fuel  stop and anything goes helps  all the teams especially the leader . Yes , it was good in the field but not up front even though Madsen was getting close . As long as fans think this WoO style racing is good it will never improve even though we are seeing a car count problem everywhere which indicates costs are hurting the little guys who are the main support of local racing . I know you may not agree with me again but you are entitled to think  or give your opinion as well . Fans want to see racing so bad that they support some boring WoO racing , so it won't change untill cars  continue to decline .

I think the car count  was up some from last year.  I do not think you will ever see 140 car count again. but in those days still only 100 got to run sat. night.  I think crowd was also up over last year.  I could be wrong.

The car count may have been up at Knoxville and the crowd , which I am not surprised about but local tracks are down , its a trend thats growing for various reasons , especially costs .

Then you only watched one race. 

This is the biggest event of the year. Schatz had to start 8th in his heat race, and 8th in his qualifiers A-main, just for a chance to earn the pole for Saturday. With 150 grand on the line, how can you tell someone that they will be penalized a third time for being the fastest car there?

The guy who led all 50 laps in the A-main, earned it. This is not a weekely show where they have to invert a few cars to keep it interesting. I saw pleanty of passing all week, and even in the A-main on Saturday. Just not the top spot. If you need to see a pass for the lead to keep you entertained, then maybe sprint car racing is not for you? 

I have no issues with resonable inverts and the local, and reginal levels. But when you have $150,000 on the line, you should start where you qualiifed to start. 

Both the 360 and 410 winners came from the pole. Never a race for the lead in either. Not saying I have lost all interest, but certainly a decline. My 2 cents.

Disqualifying Schatz from the starting spot HE EARNed because he's good? 

Robert Altman needs to buy a season pass off the kiddie rides at Hershey Park.

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

 I am not contesting the facts you state but is this good racing ? ,I think, not unfortunately the Schatz team is so much superior to the other teams . I am saying that the racing needs to be more fair and cut costs  , I know its more balanced as everyone has the same car out of the box . I want  to see better racing up front , yes we need more passing and I am suggesting we need this to bring in new fans and more . Right now unfortunately one car is dominating and this is not good for the sport ,and I don't take away from any drivers ability , I just want this sport to grow , whoops it is growing that most people are satisfied with the WoO STYLE of racing that most races are follow the leader and not freeing up the cars more to put it back into the drivers hands some .

Actually sir there's no question there needs to be a WHOLE LOT of changes made. First of all the format. The 15 times well on Wednesday and runs 2nd in his heat and that puts him on the pole for A. Then the track crew can run in a "no passing" race surface. Wonder how much Tony Stewart had to pay the track for that? Hmmm? The amout of money Tony Stweart pays to BUY these trophies, I'm sure it has to be a staggering amount of money. After all Tony has to spend money on somthing else just besides researching his traction control for the #15 car, that way Donny doesn't have to earn wins. We sure as heck couldn't make poor old Donny do that, aww.That's what happens when they run a race at a dump that was designed for horse racing, but for some ODD reason got blindly labeled as the sprint car capital of the world. Explain that one please? I guess Marion Robinson just threw that name out there having no idea what was going on 1,000 miles to the east. A little thing we like to refer to as points handicapping, that's how we do things 'round here in "THE REAL" sprint car capital of the world. The MAJOR leaguers like Rahmer, Kauffman, Smith, had to earn their wins and Championships. Could the WoO's or Knoxville ever impliment a handicapping system? I doubt it, Tony and Shatz would throw a temper tantrum the world as never seen. He might actually have to work a little bit then Ohh no.

has donine started on the pole every time he has won the nationals, hell no he hasnt he even won the b and a main a

few yrs ago. maybe the other teams and drivers need to wor a little harder. its knoxville nuff said.

Maybe the first change should be to set a race distance that is attainable for the cars that are running and get rid of the pit stop. Back-to-back planned red flag races for the WoO in the month of August is just stupid. If they want 55 & 50 lap races then teams need to be forced to use equipment that is capable of reaching that distance without a predetermined timeout. 

Resist the urge, people.

Your right sir but it won't happen because the Outlaw teams like it this way and the fans keep packing the tracks to see the speed not actual good racing . Go to your local races and you'll see some better racing , but oops they follow WoO RULES instead of breaking away from them because they want to be ready for them . Fans are what counts and to have close racing not dictate to WoO . Pa could stand on there own with separate rules not WoO RULES , only when they come to town .

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I think Donny should have to tie one arm behind his back and race blindfolded. If he still wins it they should just ban him from the race so some people could have fun at the races. This should have happened while Steve Kinser was winning all the Nationals also. Steve Kinser was also a real black eye for sprint car racing. They should have banned Sammy and Doug also cause they had the ability to dominate also. Actually why don't they have the guys in the E main run the main feature. There might be more passing and more wrecks. If that doesn't work why don't they just draw numbers to see where they finish. Make sure someone mixes them up real well and make sure the numbers don't have traction control installed on them or otherwise they would probably get picked first. I agree we need changes to the best sprint car race in the world. Like you say people don't come for the races. Let's not have a race. We'll just have a gathering. I wonder how much this would increase the attendance. If anyone else can come up with some real good ideas to help the Nationals be more interesting post EM. Not trying to be a smart --- just trying to put a smile on a few peoples faces.

Nobody said to disqualify Schatz , just find a way to close the gap between teams to make better racing . Oh , I don't need kiddie rides sir I am entertained by most of some of the comments on here . Thinking that WoO racing is good racing is entertaining to me . There is good racing out there , just go to it .

Your right sir , with  this kind of racing , fans will lose interest .