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Well the week has  came and  gone  , but here are  my thoughts . Yes  , Bob Miller pulled plug  to soon . Susky needs clay , if it wasn't for Bob Miller  the USAC  week  would never had happened  from years ago  , things will  change next year for this week of racing  ,  winged sprints put on better show on smaller tracks , regardless of what you  think teams are hurting and really can't keep up with Outlaw teams , Pa needs to do own rules package until  Outlaws come to town for better racing or more  passing , teams need to  support all tracks if they can afford to race or we maybe facing closing  of tracks . There is some facts and opinion here in my comments , do you know which is which ? Thanks for reading , Bob

I see a lot of good winged sprint car racing at Knoxville which is a big track. Cars will naturally be closer together on a small track as there is no room for them to spread out. That does not always mean it is really good racing.

I have said here before and some Pa drivers have said the same thing... Pa does not need to run Outlaw rules all the time. Do away with the new slightly softer rear tire for weekly shows. Only run Outlaw rules at outlaws races. WoO rules are writen to favor their big dollar teams.

It will be hard for teams to support all tracks if they are already hurting. Promoters need to do more promoting. The days of just saying we are racing every Saturday night and crowds show up are over.

It might be easier to respond if it look like this:

Well the week has  came and  gone  , but here are  my thoughts

• Yes  , Bob Miller pulled plug  to soon but if wasn't for Bob Miller  the USAC  week  would never had happened  from years ago

• Susky needs clay

• Things will  change next year for this week of racing  , 

• Winged sprints put on better show on smaller tracks

• Regardless of what you  think teams are hurting and really can't keep up with Outlaw teams

• Pa needs to do own rules package until  Outlaws come to town for better racing or more  passing ,

• Teams need to  support all tracks if they can afford to race or we maybe facing closing  of tracks .

There is some facts and opinion here in my comments , do you know which is which ? Thanks for reading , Bob

Can someone explain why general admission at Lincoln was $25 this past week and its $20 this coming weekend.  Why so much to see a regular field plus 3 cars last week?  Surely the All Stars will bring more cars.

It was a admisssion fee set by all the USAC RACE promoters , but Lincoln got rained out , so your referring to the qualifying race for the dirt classic which was added money , so  I assume they increased admission to pay the purse which is higher then this weeks All Star race purse.

Is the the total purse actually higher or just the winners share?  I would think with the sanction fee, the All Star total payout will be higher than the dirt classis qualifier.  

I think I understood what he was talking about even before you fixed it but people may not know what I'm taking about so you may want to arrange this so other people can understand it an understand it so if I u could please correct all the grammatical errors I'd appreciate it I may also have mispelled some words so if u could spellcheck this giant run on sentence it'd b much appreciated 

I'm doing this just to be pedantic.

"I think I understood what he was talking about even before you fixed it.  People may not know what I'm talking about, so you may want to arrange this so other people can understand it.  If you could please correct all the grammatical errors I'd appreciate it.  I may also have misspelled some words.  If you could spellcheck this giant run on sentence, it would be much appreciated."

Signed,

Dirt In Your Beer

I bolt on close to $400 in tethers to a front axle, it will take you 80 nights of attendance to see that differance in price,would fans pay additional $$ for thier protection? or is that the responsibility of the promotor, or racer?  agreed the cost of this racing gig is going to far, as fans and competitors ,  there is no way tethers cost near retail to manufacture, the profit margin is too great, ive seen some pretty unique machined pieces for the $200 range, but for a couple aluminum clamps and rope? and a piss poor desighn besides, now the aid of "king pin" tethers as well, maybe mandated too earlie and now a device of the past potentially,  anyway, my butt still hurts over these dam things.. and sadly the effect will start eliminating  budget racers. thats a FACT..

Too many people are put off by the time trials and they get boring.  Outlaw rules do not work for local racing at all.  Their rules are for the fastest cars and only benefit the fastest cars.  They are set up that way because when they travel into any town (other than PA) people are there to see them.  The competition between locals in other areas is not 1/2 of what it is in PA.  For more than 10 years the rules in PA should be set for PA.  The week or 2 before WoO comes to town, run the "warm-up" and use their rules - but use them all - dash, etc.

The Outlaw rules will not change until someone can get Ms. Huges out of williams grove.  She puts all her eggs in the WoO basket and she controls what the other local tracks can and can't do outlaw wise.  Lincoln & Port cannot have WoO races unless she says so and when.  It's unfortunate but true.  She needs to pay more attention to saving the track, selling it to someone who wants to clean it up and make it what it once was or let it become no more than waste land.

USAC - take it or leave it - stayed home and worked around the house.

As for supporting all the tracks?  Really???  Come on, what planet are you from.  This is LOCAL racing.  Yes, it's wonderful that we have 4 great and one almost in the poop-can (susky) tracks within 50 miles of Harrisburg.  HOWEVER, there are only maybe 1 real and 2 possible full time sprint car drivers in this area.  How in heaven's name do you expect "weekend warriors" to support all the tracks in this area.  Can't be done - won't be done.  Why do you think some of the best car owners have thrown in the towel.  GET RID OF THE OUTLAW RULES and come up with something that can help with the motors - some type of better limitations. (they won't work, but might). supply & demand - that's why engine costs are so high - everyone wants what the guy in the next pit stall has.  If that owner has more money than brains for a year or two - then they are driving up the cost of the engines.  

Another thing - there used to be some special efforts made by the 410 teams, mostly the drivers to better participate with the fans & kids.  It does happen at some tracks (port is the best so far) but not really.  Someone should talk to and really look at what the Sportsman & the Sa;turday Night Series do at the Grove.  Talk about getting the fans involved!!!

Very well structured letter. It was easily understandable . Not like some of the 3rd grade unstructured nonsende written above. Kduos to you ,sir.

Lol.  Agreed on the previous post though.  Lincoln and Port cater to local racing well, Williams Grove is supposed to be a crown jewel like Knoxville, run it that way.  I also think the track is as good as it's ever been, a shame it's not being seen that way.  

 "The competition between locals in other areas is not 1/2 of what it is in PA", what a load of myopic bullshit. 

Cheers!

People need to get off of kathy hughes' back.  Just like wizzard said, there has been plenty of improvement and williams grove really didnt even need it that bad. U guys talk shit about the place and for what? its the nicest track we have in pa and arguably the 3rd best dirt track on the planet.We still get full fields, not rvery race is gonna be be a barn burner idc if its at lincoln, komomo, wg or knoxville. there's not many places in sprint car racing that compare to wg when that place is filled up. It dont need to be filled up every week of the year either.. Never has and never will be. How bout we enjoy and appreciate the fact that its in our backyard and 99 percent of teams and fans would kill to have it in their own. And for all of you people that say lincoln gets better crowds need to realize that lincoln capacity is prolly half of williamsgrove. THE PEOPLE ARE SPREAD OUT MORE!  Why is this so hard to realize? Maybe drink a few less natty lights and pay attention to shit. Watch where guys are running on the track. watch how they enter, where they lift.  You might learn something. Hell maybe even get involved in racing yourself. Theres other shit to do than drink beer and buy t shirts. Then maybe fans wont put so much pressure and negativity on these promoters and track owners. we live in pa! Stop complaining! As far as winged sprint car racing goes we have it better than anyone. Go support the shit. Pump your chest cause no area in the country compares!  Ok? Can we try that? END RANT.

Unlimited motors, smaller harder tires and a wing angle rule will bring all the kids to the yard

 
 
 
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I thank everyone for there comments , all good comments . Just let me clarify two points I made , one, our teams need to or do our own thing , we don't need the Outlaw rules package as many drivers have stated only when Outlaws come in . Having our own rules will provide better racing and allow more passing according to drivers. Next , most of the time the winged 410"s put on a better show when there speed is under wraps or on smaller tracks not that they provide better racing then non-wing cars on smaller tracks. So far this year the mighty Outlaws best races have ben on smaller tracks like Kokomo , but then this is the best conditioned track around . We really need to  do our own thing because our teams or most teams can't keep going this way , just look at all the lower car count races this year . Its sad that most teams can't race more then once a week .

I agree  but the mighty WRG doesn't want to change anything until its too late . There drivers obviously like what they have .

I have 2 questions for you.  

First, specifically what rules would you like changed to "provide better racing and allow more passing"?

Second, (after thinking about said rules) how will those changes monetarily effect those racers when the outlaws do come to town?

The racers will then have to cater their car to the outlaws' rules, or not get the highest pay to win and pay to start. .....makes a ton of sense. Plus they are at another major disadvantage because your local drivers wouldn't be using similar equipment always to gain track knowledge with the conditions and changes on the car. Good luck, because most of the 410 tracks across the nation are running rules based off the outlaws rules so their drivers don't have to make major changes to race with them. (Knoxville, husets,California, all stars). 

I do not think he means any major rule differences. Knoxville does not allow the new slightly softer tire that the Outlaws run. Just things like that.