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Topic: Wider not better: Making Sprint Car tires narrower could make racing better
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May 08, 2015 at
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Posted By: oswald on May 08 2015 at 01:37:02 PM
If the tires are the problem how can the same basic group of cars & drivers running the same wings & tires at the same track put on a great show one week and a boring show the next? What can cause that? Track conditions (prep)???? Or has every race at the Grove been boring this season???
If you really want to loosen up sprint cars you can do it without any changes to tires. Just take the wings OFF!!!! Winged cars are going to be a lot more locked down, thats why they have a wing.
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Agreed. Personally I like the speed and would rather not try and slow them down 2 or seconds as cubes previously posted.
Theres nothing like Knoxvilles prep when the bottom is a little mucky through qualifying and comes in the heats and is great for the feature. Then you have guys running on a solid cushion and other guys hugging the bottom. Heck some are even crossing other and using both for slide jobs or coming in high and exiting on the bottom to get some seriously speed down the straight.
I'm ready for Knoxville on Saturday now! Nothing like a good race on a fast half mile!
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May 08, 2015 at
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Posted By: vande77 on May 08 2015 at 12:36:36 PM
The only thing I would change from the current WoO rules (and I believe PA follows the Outlaw rule for their weekly events) is this:
Tires - No changing of tires through the nights event. The tire you Time Trial on must be ran in your heat, Dash (if their is one) and the feature (B-main cars can run a different tire for the B-main only and switch back to their Time Trail Tire if they transfer to the feature).
This rule costs car owners $0 (and may save some car owners quite a bit of $$).
Jeremy's column focused on the tire size being an issue (I'm not convinced it is), the point of my post was that changing one thing may have zero effect in the long run (too many other things they can use to adjust to make up for it).
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The one tire a night rule does cost the little guys money as with a one tire a night rule you pretty much have to buy a new RR everynight. Many low buck guys buy used tires off other teams and run them for hot laps, heats, Bmains and then perhaps put on a new RR some nights for the feature if they are starting towards the front. Yes, the big money guys don't mind the one tire a night program. Just my opinion. There is not a perfect solution.
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May 08, 2015 at
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Posted By: staggerman on May 08 2015 at 02:09:56 PM
The one tire a night rule does cost the little guys money as with a one tire a night rule you pretty much have to buy a new RR everynight. Many low buck guys buy used tires off other teams and run them for hot laps, heats, Bmains and then perhaps put on a new RR some nights for the feature if they are starting towards the front. Yes, the big money guys don't mind the one tire a night program. Just my opinion. There is not a perfect solution.
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Well, when John McCoy said they were ging to try letting teams use any marked tire (marked at a prior knoxville race) during the night it was the low dollar guys who wanted to stay with the one tire per night rule. The new rule would let a team use a new tire for TT, have it marked, put on a still good used marked tire for the heat, and put the TT tire back on for the A. The track went back to the 1 tire per night rule after a few weeks (not sure just how long they tried it). I think (jmo) that the low buck teams did not have the set ups right and used up their tires faster and had no used marked tires they felt were good enough to run in a heat.
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May 08, 2015 at
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Posted By: staggerman on May 08 2015 at 06:43:22 AM
Wrong 2 words........"Short Track"....that is the real key. Look at both Pevely and Haubstabt small high banked tracks that make you race and not have to have a killer motor. Do you think the Kuntz or Brady Bacon cars had motors close to an outlaw team, I seriously doubt it but they were both right there in the hunt by having a good handling car on a short track.
Give me a 1/4-3/8 mile track anyday for a good winged show.
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I agree 100% on the short track, I love when the WoO goes to the bull rings. But I was at the WoO show in salina, ok which is a high banked smaller half mile and the Kunz car driven by Bell had plenty of motor to run up front, won the heat, finished 5th in the dash, and if it wasn't for Joey Saldana running bell off the top of the track he would have most likely finished in the top 5.. now Bacon on the other hand... didn't have the ponies... But Bottom line for me it track prep... The track prep has to be right or it won't matter what size the track is.. i've seen sliver dollar rubber up and it's nothing more then asphalt racing.
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May 08, 2015 at
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You can change all the stuff you want, without good track prep it won't make any difference. It takes effort to have a good track. Many promoters and tracks just don't want to put out that much effort. Pevely rebuilt their track before the A main and had a great race. They do that every time. Unfortunately many won't.
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Posted By: MoOpenwheel on May 08 2015 at 03:24:57 PM
You can change all the stuff you want, without good track prep it won't make any difference. It takes effort to have a good track. Many promoters and tracks just don't want to put out that much effort. Pevely rebuilt their track before the A main and had a great race. They do that every time. Unfortunately many won't.
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A local track that runs late models used to just blade the crumbs down over the track, run a harrow over it and let it sit till next race day. Then they start watering around 2pm. Racing sucked there. Promoter said if you don't tear the track up once it is hard & smooth and don't put too much water on it it will not rut up. He was right, it stayed smooth and racing was mostly single file around the bottom.
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