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Maybe a contract is a good thing, kinda guarentees teams that they will be compensated and if not could actually file legal action. Opposed to a verbal agreement, were someone can feed you a line of BS and nothing can be done because its just someones word. Maybe thats why several teams have come together as a group to create something that benefits all parties involved. The Renegade Series isnt run my 1 person or the drivers, its a board of directors that includes all parties involved, drivers, owners, and track owners, to ensure that all thats involved will have a say in the matters that effects this sport we all love so much. Purse money has nothing to do with it, Blaney winning alot has nothing to do with it, it all comes down to buisness practices. Atomic didnt schedule this race to try and buck Mercers All Star show, as it was a scheduled race on there calender as of last yr, they just added a sanction to it and increased the purse. Its actually the same thing Mercer did a few yrs ago when they added the All Star series to an already established race, the western PA sprint car championships. Bottom line is that every track cant close its doors just because there is another race going on somewhere else in the country.

OMG...track owners are now on the board.  This is getting good.   Davis, no offense, but you are relatively new to the 410 sprint car world.  I have attended two of your shows, the first I didn't have a very good experience with your "neighbors" slashing tires down pit road, the second was earlier this year where the event was over at about 12:30 p.m.  I fully support sprint car racing both 360's and 410's.  However, I would think that you should show a little respect for the tracks that have been promoting for more than a year, and try to work with them, not against them.  You have bitten off quite a bit for your first full year and that's commendable, but your predecessor also did the same thing and was out of business after a couple of years.  I have heard that the All Stars are assembling a new management team with decades of experience in sprint car racing if that what seemed to be lacking.

P.S.  Possessive pronoun is "their" not there...sorry it was bugging me.

its what the lazy All Stars need! I mean they can't even pick up a phone at the track and give updates! How hard is that ??? How could you follow a series when sponsors and family don't even know if you are racing Because there is no PR 

Im not the promoter of Atomic Speedway, just a local racer thats supports THEIR local track and happens to work there. Sorry about your bad experience with the tire slashing, as myself, my cousin, and several other friends and fans was victims of some idiots wrong doing. And yes, there is track owners on board with the Series and Im sure there will be more to follow. If a person was a track owner, why wouldnt you want to listen to your drivers and owners concerns because they are the ones that come and support your buisness. How is Atomic in anyway working against other tracks, or being disrespctfull for hosting a Renegades race or any other race for that matter. They actually hosted 2 All Star shows this year, one of which had 62 cars, and they have hosted a couple different Late Model groups. Basically they are just trying to bring the best entertainment value possible for their fans each week and so far have done an outstanding job. They have also had several off weekends throughout the season because of other local tracks in the area running special events.

It's rather intriguing that some good brands (the tracks - regardless of how many shows they run) are giving props to a wounded brand.

If the All Stars are good enough for Alan Kreitzer (sp?), then they are good enough for me. Mr.Kreitzer forgot more about promoting races than most of us will ever know.

Davis22 is not the promoter.  He's a local racer.

I don't know what sprinty11's problem is, but he's pretty testy about this race and series.  If you've been around the Ohio sprint car scene you would know it's hard to find racers that have a possitive opinion of Guy Webb.  I'm suprised it took this long to happen.  The Renegade's are going to have a hard time no doubt about it.  If the drivers stick together this might work.  Promoters can't have the All Stars bringing 2 cars.    The All Stars have the name brand and going against that hasn't historically worked.  Stay tuned.

I will be supporting the Renegade Series at Atomic Speedway Saturday night. If you have been around the sprint car racing the past several years everyone knows that there were issues with the way that Guy has been rinning the All Stars. You would have to have been living under a rock not to know that. Unfortunately when a battle such as this comes up not everyone is going to be happy in the short term. All we can hope for is that this will bring positive change for the long term with sprint car racing here in Ohio. I long for the old days when the All Stars were mostly based here in Ohio for that reason I will support the Renegade Series. I also agree with their position on having the point funds being funded by sponsership dollars. Hope they can get the sponsers to make that happen. I really do not think that the present ownership of the All Stars are making a decent effort to sell sponsership. I base this opinion on the fact that they have not been able to come up with any Ohio Speedweek points fund money for past few years. How hard could that be when you have the car counts that they have had for those races. Even if it was only 5 to 10K I just think that would be an easy sell if you worked at it.

Just  let  it play out  , if the drivers  stick together  then it  will  be good for  them  and racing . The drivers   much have  a  good reason  for  starting  the new renegade   group . If  Fred   Brownfield   were  alive  the NST would be  as well , they   had good reasons for starting  the  NST .      Mr  Brownfield  cared  about drivers  and fans .

Fred B. was a good guy but he lost his ass promoting the NST. It was going to tank before he lost his life. Maybe he cared about the drivers but the drivers didn't do a damn thing to help him. The last race he ran was Davenport IA. It was a financial disaster but not one driver offered to help Fred make up for his losses. IF the drivers stick together...and it'll never happen because it never has in the past...it's still up to the tracks. Competing series HURT the tracks' bottom line. THAT'S why the USA, NST, ect. never worked out.

The comments about the All Stars knowing what they want to be/ what they are make the most sense to me.   If you are a regional series, be happy being a regional series.   Be the best regional series that you can.   When you start booking events at tracks that you cannot support, you start losing crediblility.   The races at Wilmot were not the only time the All-Stars went to geographic area that did not make sense.   The "Thunder through the Plains" tour a couple of years ago were also not well supported. 

I also agree that it will be easier to fix the All-Stars than to start the Renegades.  

There  may  be some   truth to what   you  say but  I believe   its  time   for  a   driver -owner  supported series  , not by one person  and  they   should stay within  3-4  states   area . And its also time   for  all series to do more   for fans that support  racing  . 

Well said!!! you are 100 percent right

3 years ago when they started the 'Rumble Through the Plains" or at least that is when they first came to Wilmot, they had 6, MAYBE 7 cars. It has gone from that to maybe 5 last year and 3 this year.  Guy Webb told me that he does what he can to ensure support but he also noted that he cannot expect guys that have real jobs, to travel 19 to 24 hours away for two weeks away from home...I say BULLSHIT....Don't schedule so damn far away then Moron.........SIMPLE...........I, for one, am tired of his bullshit, but I go because the IRA is running and they get my full support.  It is the Dale Blaney show at Wilmot, I watch to see the IRA's big dogs race for second or third.

This was a self serving post from All Star related person, Let's see how it plays out. Track owner's will go with what works best for them . I can tell you first hand that many track owner's are sick of Guy's crap just like drivers and owners.

Since you seem particular you probably meant 12:30 AM when the show was over. You had me confused for a second.

Not a big fan of Guy Webb, seems(is) kinda shady.

History of money issues

Shame, more drivers should get on board with the Renegade Series

It should easily best the All Stars,

And now on this thread, Webb's stooly, 410 James pipes in.

The biggest problem with the new series is not drivers but tracks! The tracks can stick their neck out and go with the new series or stay with what has been paying the bills. I think the back breaker for this new series is the tracks with acception of Atomic, and Attica hasnt picked a side. Just like the USA and NST the major tracks can't afford to burn any bridges or they risk loosing the dates. When the NST started they lacked major track dates and the average fan has never heard of the NST,USA, or Renegade series. The ohio speedweek is a tough date for any track to give up.

I agree. I think the best way the Renegades survive is to slowly build the series over a 5 year period or so. Schedule as many races as possible, not conflicting with other big shows. The drivers may have to still race with the groups they don't want to until the Renegades schedule will support them...this will take time and patience...unless the All Satrs completely collapse...But hey, the Boss series is quietly growing, a little at a time....so, it can work..

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