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Davis...if you are a part of Atomic, then you need to read your own schedule.  410 sprints, amra modified, street stocks, sport mods, enduros, vintage cars.  If that's 3-4 classes then I need to go back to my adding machine. 

Tell us who the other teams are...It might sway me into coming to see the show!

When will people ever learn? USA, NST, ect....
Competing series always hurt the individual tracks, many whom are already living on the edge financially.

The "Renagades" was a bogus idea from the start. All Helms & Co. are doing is hurting those that feed them.  They need to quit their hissy fit and race for the purse. Any driver/team that announced its defection from the ASCoC should have its All Star contract voided and no longer receive tow money/point money. If you're good enough to win a decent share of the purse, that's all you deserve.

The renagades didn't really think Webb was going away, did they?

not to be mean to anyone but saying blaney will be there cause he can easily win wtf are you smoking. if you look at the numbers i think blaney has been beating all the teams including the renagade cars before they left the allstars facts are facts.

Let me see if I have this straight.....Kemenah has ZERO wins this year, Helms has NEVER won a feature, Philo may have ONE win this year and Wilson may have TWO wins this year.  Sounds like a group that I would build a series around.  I hope a 'local', who just wants to race wins the race.  It would be interesting to see if Atomic sould schedule against any other All Star races this year

Amen ! You hit the nail on the head. You race for the purse or you dont race at all. The point fund and tow money is a choice the racers and teams choose to go after . If You get your points fund money late or your tow money its still your choice.Drop off the tour and you get nothing. From whats been heard Webb is trying to pay but is not on time. Would you rather get your money late or not at all? Hodnett hasnt got paid and has threatened legal action and he still leads the east region points. I dont think he would have skipped the extra purse races at the grove and lincoln if they didnt want to race for a All Star purse.

I don't think the number of cars that follow a series matters in certain cases. Most of the tracks that the all stars visit pull around 20-30cars on a weekly basis then when the all stars come they bring there 5-7 depending on the year plus a few stragglers for a little extra money. This whole situation sounds like it has to do more about the inner workings of the series. Heard a story on last lap live about when they went up to Wilmot and all the drivers, teams, and track officals were there before the all star officals for the saturday show. That is embarrasing and apparently that is not the first time it happened. Also the way a certain offical talks to some of the drivers is less to be desired as well.

One thing that I found interesting is that all 11 Renegade drivers were at Attica this past weekend instead of Butler. It was a race that was not "sanctioned" but all of them were there. I wonder if that is a strategy of theirs for them to say that they do support local racing. Attica ended up having 24 high quality cars on Saturday and Butler had 20 cars that had a pretty big margin between them. It would be a financial risk if they went this route but if they are committed to working together it could be something to consider. A lot if it is inner workings that a lot of us will not even know. The tracks can say whatever they want to say but in the long run they only care about one thing or two things that go hand and hand. Money and the fans that bring that money in.

They were paid to go to Attica. Let's see if the Renegades pay them to not race at Attica in a couple of weeks.

Maybe its a wake up call for the All Stars? One race at Atomic and things change? Don't think it will work. Number one thing is the tracks support. The drivers don't matter if you have no place to race,

Its actually 6 the way you have listed not 7 lol. The Enduro race is ran at the conclusion of all the features and is actually a bonus for fans to see if so interested. The VARC is a group of members that travel around and display there antique race cars so fans can see the cars of yesterday, and then go out and do an exibition of sorts during intermission. 4 racing classes with 2 of those classes having low car counts.

Actually Butler Speedway had 27 cars Saturday night to Attica's 24 in the head-head count.  I would agree the overall quality was better at Attica but there was a solid field at Butler with a B-main for the fans and some very good racing.  Just don't think it was a smart idea for teams to pass up the good money paying All-Star night and hurt the promoter and fans to boot if you are trying to build new relationships for the future.  I'm sure other promoters and fans like me saw this also with the unofficial boycott. 

He is still saying Holtgraver is racing Atomic on his FB Page.

There is a drag racing group from Ohio called Renegade Racing getting ready to sue the new sprint car group for copyright infringement for stealing their name.

Since when does competition ever hurt? 

Basically, I read this as the status quo is always right regardless of how good or bad it is for anyone. 

If a driver wants to support the Renegade series because it's in his best interest, then no one has any right to question that. If a track wants to support the Renegade series (or the All Stars) believing it's in its best interest - no one has any right to question that. 

Also, these ideas of contracts to run a freaking sprint car series are absurd. If you're awarding point money, do it honestly - award the driver that had the best cumulative performance over the races ran.

The idea of punishing a driver to keep them running your series is just absolutely crazy - if that's what Guy Webb decides to do, well, then his reputation precedes him. This is a guy who bought what was a fantastic series and virtually ripped it to pieces in the minds of many fans, and from what I've read and based on the formation of a competing series - drivers and teams. 

This series didn't form out of thin air for the hell of it - they obviously thought that they could do it better. I'd personally be curious if there's any pressure for the ASCoC on existing tracks if it gets into anti-competitive laws. 

I for one am glad that someone decided to stand up and start another series. I'm not from Ohio but if I was I would absolutely hold it against tracks who tried to stifle something like this due to an existing partner (and competing entity) holding it over their head. Not saying that's what happened, but I find it odd that all of these tracks come together (if they even did) when the general opinion of the ASCoC is very negative.

Haha, that's the dumbest comment I've ever read on here!!!!  I suppose Renegade motor coaches is sueing them too?  What about the old tv sitcom "Renegade", are they in on it as well?  How many racing series across the U.S.A. has the name American or National in the title, they don't sue each other..........stupid

do it in the dirt

Okay, okay. This is not about the series screwing the tracks. Its the drivers and owners. When the guy that own's the All Stars stands there, during a monsoon, and the owners/drivers say it's over, then the All Star Owner says no it's not. THEN says I dont need anyone but the # 14 i.e. Dale Blaney for this to continue, why should they support them?

He basicly said fuck you to anyone whi follows the series besides Blaney. Why would you follow?

Sprint 16 the allstars dont have contracts with the teams the renegades say there gonna have contracts. The allstars is a mebership and a verbal agreement to run the whole deal

Webb doesnt have to punish anyone they punished themself rule is you have to run 100% of the region to recieve point money for that region.

The other series started cause of ego issues on both sides.

The race tracks have always decied these issues and always will whice is the way it should be they are the ones risking there money.  Not the first time this kinda thing has happened remember usa, nst, gumout .

Change is good, right ???

Give the renegades a chance.Or, getnew management for the All Stars. What's Bert Emmick doing?

It will be easier to run Renegade Series also. All races are going to be based around Ohio and bordering states.

Don't have to go to Florida, or way out west for just a few shows.

No Dale Blaney??? Big Deal. 

I care more about quality racing than anything. It gets old when guys like Blaney and Schatz win all the time.