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Not bagging on the 360s but I just read on King's Facebook page they added West Coast 360's to the Cotton. I could see adding Midgets, but it seems kinda redundant to run both non wing sprint classes on the same night. I mean a balls out night of just 410's just doesn't need any help.

Geez, I had fun.

What's not to like? Cotton is a must see event. If I remember, USAC W/C was on the card last year with King Of The West. KoW has always been the big show at the Cotton. When Woodhouse added USAC/CRA to the show it added lustre to an already terrific lineup, the 2 premier W/C sanctions meeting at one of the best tracks on the coast. Adding USAC W/C was more to like.

If anybody is worried about track condition with all that qualifying, not to worry as the following week the Trophy Cup happens with usually 80 to 90 cars and with the Woodhouse, Steve Faria alliance track prep is not a worry. 

Good points Dave, I know sounds like I'd bitch if I was hung with a new rope but I guess more is gooder. I'll roll with it.

Geez, I had fun.

I believe the reason it was added is to make up the race that was cancelled due to rain at Hanford on April 26th and that is the only weekend that works out for the racers and doesn't conflict with other races going on.

You go on about how great the track prep is at Tulare,well the last two times we've raced there we've burnt up 8 tires.A couple weeks ago we killed both rear tires in the semi main and then in the feature both rears again and the right front on a rubber down track,then last night was another set of rears and the right front again.Hell they had more water and mud in the pits than on the race track!

Heard that the fair board ppl at Hanford are running rough shod on patrons at the track.

We need more sprint car racing at our home track.

Whats track prep at Tulare got to do with Kings?

Kings was the best prepared track in the entire state last season, hell, it was the best prepared track for Sprint Cars I saw all year last season the couple of times I made it up there, even in the middle of summer. Track for the Cotton should be friggen AWESOME with some fantastic racing.

Otherwise, it will be a dust bowl with racing on... which beats the crap out of whining about whatever rubbish is on the telly.

I'm sure the powers that be have some reasons that we are not aware of for hosting the two (2) separate nonwing divisions on the same night.  From the outside looking in, I agree that it doesn't make sense on the surface, since they'd have to pay out two separate purses.  But a rain make-up date would require separate points and purses for the two (2) series.

The 360 car owners and drivers most certainly want this to be a separate show.  The fans...maybe, maybe not...I'm guessing it is split down the middle.  The trade off for more racing (more heats and another main) is a longer show and more track prep issues. However, the promoter certainly won't reap the benefits that two (2) stand-alone shows would offer, since the crossover guys that will do double-duty and run their 360 in both divisions will reduce the back gate revenue.

I'm wondering if it has been suggested to the promoter to run a show similar to what has been run over the years at Ocean and SMS, where the Western Classic run with the USAC-CRA. The participants earn points for their own respective series, so the 360's wouldn't have to worry as much about unequal horsepower...they'd be competing with the other 360s for points.  Also, the combined car count for a single show would still benefits the fans, since the number of heats is increased, along with a stronger potential for a B-main.  However, the show (in theory) wouldn't be as dragged out, and essentially the same amount of teams will be paying at the back gate for a single purse.  

Here's another idea...with the savings from not having to pay out two (2) separate purses, bump up the "combined" purse by 25% and call it a "special event" and see if you can't attract even more teams and fans.

Just a thought.  Like I said above, I recognize that I don't have all the facts and therefore I could be way, way off...

Doug Bushey

Passionate Fan / Announcer / Media & Public Relations 
Agent 

April 26th USAC WC 360 show was rained out. I wonder if Scott or Chris can clarify if the two USAC classes are running amongst each other for individual sanction points or separately (meaning two B mains and two A mains, as well as some double-duty driving). If it's a mix-together, how will Faas, Mitchell, the VanderWeerds and others who run for points in both sanctions work it out, one wonders?

In whatever arrangement, I'd have to guess that we're looking at 35+25+25=85 or so sprint cars altogether. 

I was wondering sAms thing.  But being Hanford I believe a 360 can be somewhat competitive with 410,s.  I'd almost say give cra their own night and run 360 with kws guys.   On a personal note I believe the best racing around this year has been the 360.  You have 5 or 6 cars tut can win on given night compared to the demon and spencer in cra.  I'm a fan of them all and cotton classic going to be a can't miss race.

Two points deals. Keep it seperate. How can a driver earn points for both series in the same race if you combine them? If this is a 'make up' date then the two shows need to be run as their own deals with points going to the series. Besides... That will give us five or six heats of sprint cars instead of two or three.

Those drivers fortunate enough to have a 410 and a 360 engine and one chassis will have to choose which class to be competitive in. Those without that issue will have to figure out how to haul both to the show...

I am thinking 19 CRA Cars and 20 WC 360 cars is a far more realistic car count. The numbers might skew slightly with double duty but I would be shocked to see more than 50 individual cars in the pits.

I just saw on Facebook the 360 portion will be a non points race.   I'm guessing 10 cars unless a big purse comes up for it.

Just an idea...

If the 360 portion of the event is, in fact a non-points paying race, would it not be better for all parties to just build up the CRA portion with incentives for highest-finishing 360 and possibly a bonus for a 360 that wins the A-Main?  

That would be cheaper for the promoter, it would take some pressure off of the teams that would consider doing double-duty and be spread thin, and in theory it would create a larger, more diverse field for the nonwing portion of the show, plus provide some hype for the annoucer to cover during the event.  

Take the 360 winner's share alone, split it into a $500 bonus for highest 360 and a $500 added bonus for winning the A-Main.  If a 360 wins the race, they get the CRA payout plus $1000...that's what, $3,500 to win?!  Now you've increased car counts and back gate revenue, without paying two purses.

Just looking out for eveyone's best interest.  I'm interested in hearing some opinions of 360 car owners on this concept...maybe it isn't what they want at all...

Doug Bushey

Passionate Fan / Announcer / Media & Public Relations 
Agent 

I am still trying to figure out why the 360 associations have "non-points" races.

Brett

www.brodyroa.com

I've been wondering the same thing myself,we were going to bring our 360 and 410 to Hanford but if the 360 deal is non points and pays the normal purse, we might not even mess with bringing the 360 since we have to use a separate trailer to get it there. This non points crap doesn't even make sense.

Non-points without a big purse doesn't make much sense. If it is a 'make-up' race, why is it not for points? Was the race that was cancelled not for points? 

My thought on why these non-points races show up is to stifle all the complaining about adding points races after the schedule is published because X or Y team / person has scheduled a lake day that weekend or whatever.