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See USAC/CRA to run at Cotton Classsic. This is a great appetizer prior to Trophy Cup. Chance to compare the 2 410 classes. Would be interesting to see shoes run both. Bud Kaeding some times does.

How many USAC/CRA will make the tow to Hanford? 

If they make it a CRA + Western Classic deal with points for both, I'd put odds on close to 20 cars; maybe even a few more. 

at the last combined usac-cra , western classic races , which were watsonville and santa maria , usac-cra cars went to watsonville and no western cars went to santa maria . all the western guys must have agreed with each other not to go so points wouldnt change . what good are those kind of races ?

Drama , Controversy , Rivalry 

There would be 20-25 cars, even without the other divisions.

I've been saying this for awhile now. They should only have 1 usac non wing series in all of California . The PAS should be the home track. The series should be a run what you brung up to and including 410s. The corked up  so called 410 western classic series and west coast 360 series collide with the usac/ cra in scheduling . So add  more races to the USAC/CRA series and combine all three of the usac California series purses together to make a nice purse for all of these teams to go after.  Larger purses create larger car counts thus brings larger fan bases. 

We need more sprint car racing at our home track.

h hate to keep saying this but few teams can afford to travel . we need more local track racing , not a series that most cant afford to follow .

Drama , Controversy , Rivalry 

I have to agree, and that's based on watching who shows up where from Calistoga to Perris very closely for five seasons since I've been up here. I'd love to see a phased move by CRA and Western Classic into 360s over several years so that a few more people can elect to run more than one of the three California series without having to maintain both 410 and 360 motors like Faria and the Vander Weerds.

If Perris joined Arizona in running a late season 360 show for big money, Perris could still run the season-ending national 410 show with those on the coast who have 410 motors running therewith. Make it the season ender for the Central Valley and AZ 360s, as well, and you'd have a fine and dandy show for three nights... by staggering the 360 and 410 racing Thursday-Friday-Saturday and Friday-Saturday respectively... with those who have 410s able to decide Friday night what they want to do for the Big Money on Saturday.

Think about it. 

amen Randy or we could go with a 283 inch engine with a powerglide trans then we could all race and maybe drive are "racecars"to the track.

ROB

The Cotton Classic is a 410 wing show. A must see for NorCal fans, who most likely could care less about the support class. Last year the support class was the West Coast Sprint Cars.

This year, there won't be any support classes

So california sprint car series should only run local to you guys?

Thats a very selfish angle. What a stupid shallow me first attitude  What about the fans drivers and car owners who don't live anywhere near the pas and race both usac series.  Guess they should all go stock car racing.

Having 23 cars regularly show up at one track will surely grow the sport. Clearly those fans will drive from Tulare. Santa Maria. Hanford.  And they should right. 

Do you guys even read what you type?

We'd all like to see bigger purses, but I rarely see more than 1500 in the stands and 75 in the sprint car pits at any of the mid-state and socal tracks. Let's say that the promoter's gross (not net) recovery averages $12 per in the stands and $40 in the pits and grosses $18000 in the stands plus $3000 in the pits. (Forget parking, souvenirs and food; they're either a wash or not producing for the track operators at all.)

That's $21000 gross =before= the night's operating expenses and overhead for permanent staff.

Tracks do make some money from billboard sales, but many of the billboards are there on trade for services, not for cash. I'd say the promoters are =carrying= sprint cars as a labor of love, not making money on them, save for the KWS and WoO shows. (And making a little money on the taxicabs and local open wheel shows as JP seems to do in Watsonville.)

BTW, the WoO rents the tracks in California and promotes their own shows. The track operators usually get $10000 or so to provide the facility, the lights, the graders and water trucks, etc.

It doesn't look to me like the money's there to provide bigger purses... but if others (usually the lurkers, hahaha) know better, lemme know. 

"I treat everything I assert as a theory. If you actually know the facts, tell me."

Back in 94,  my conversations with Glenn Howard, the cost of booking a SCRA race,  purse was 12,500 + 1,000 for the points fund + 1,000 sanction fee for a total of 14,500 to book a SCRA show about  twenty years ago

Is USAC/CRA still running for the same $ almost 20 years later ?

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The USAC/CRA will be the support class.

Don't think so

Dave me being one of the few that really enjoy the winged sprints  from down here in So Cal . There will never come a day when the CRA 410 non wing  series will ever be a support class. They will draw just as many fans as the beloved KWS 410 winged series for this special event. And we all will be treated to a special night of racing. The So Cal non wings series and the No Cal winged 410 series all meeting in the middle of the state is gonna be a good time.

We need more sprint car racing at our home track.

Bigger Purses DO NOT mean more cars.

Paying the people who can afford to compete for the lead every week does not encourage growth or development of the teams that show up every week knowing they are there to learn and hope to roll it into the trailer so they can come out next time they can afford it.

Bigger Purses are useless if they don't pay further back... Look at the big money shows this season and thier draws being not particularly impressive.

The small guy is being squeezed out of the sport, that is where this magical free money to increase purses should go.

You should go sit in the corner with your mate. Think about it... Billet Cup, big purse, 22 cars. Allcoast VRA races, $5k to win, 36 or so cars... The field is thinning out because the "field fillers" can not afford to run a full season at todays prices. I'm dead serious. These low buck teams need as much if not more support than the high dollar teams.

As for the fan base...

It is the same crap we have beat to death.

Time + Entertaimment Value = Fan $

In So Cal you are competing with Hockey, Baseball and Basketball with tickets at Perris which are a similar amount. These events have little downtime and a lot of high energy "entertainment" during breaks. Roller Derby and other "grass root niche sports" even the Lucas Oil offroad shows... they advertize. Give fans deals, let them interact with drivers and somehow attract a younger demographic.

One thing I noticed at the PAS this season with the autograph sessions is that they are just too early for a lot of fans with kids. Just as the kids are getting excited, its time to let the teams get the cars ready. If we could have the teams with spare cars push those out and have all the drivers do their thing in one of these longer "intermissions" I think you get more bang for your buck.