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July 18, 2013 at
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I will preface this by saying I'm completely neutral to Kyle Larson and believe he's a great talent and enjoy watching him wherever he shows up, but after watching the video of his second A-Main run at Lernerville, I have to say that it wasn't as impressive as it's being made out to be.
First, Larson did not start 26th on the grid. He may have on paper, but he started inside row 9 on the actual track (17th). Second, he had perfect help from cautions/reds. This led to a few cars in front of him dropping out, saved him on a late restart when he got over the berm in two and lost several positions and generally bunched up the field to allow for him to pass on restarts. Third, he had some pretty iffy moves. It didn't show him and Dollansky getting together on video but it did show him almost stuff Tim Shaffer coming off of two (Shaffer lifted or they were both going for a ride).
Point being, it was an impressive run but not as ultra impressive as posters on here have been making it out to be. It was a combination of skill, attrition, and luck. Someone else posted and pointed out that it also seemed some guys may have been saving equipment, but I didn't get that feeling watching the video.
Regardless, Larson's a fine talent, but let's not exaggerate the kid's accomplishments. He has plenty that are undisputable - no reason to embellish any - it cheapens the legitimate ones.
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July 18, 2013 at
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Posted By: SprintFan16 on July 18 2013 at 11:56:57 AM
I will preface this by saying I'm completely neutral to Kyle Larson and believe he's a great talent and enjoy watching him wherever he shows up, but after watching the video of his second A-Main run at Lernerville, I have to say that it wasn't as impressive as it's being made out to be.
First, Larson did not start 26th on the grid. He may have on paper, but he started inside row 9 on the actual track (17th). Second, he had perfect help from cautions/reds. This led to a few cars in front of him dropping out, saved him on a late restart when he got over the berm in two and lost several positions and generally bunched up the field to allow for him to pass on restarts. Third, he had some pretty iffy moves. It didn't show him and Dollansky getting together on video but it did show him almost stuff Tim Shaffer coming off of two (Shaffer lifted or they were both going for a ride).
Point being, it was an impressive run but not as ultra impressive as posters on here have been making it out to be. It was a combination of skill, attrition, and luck. Someone else posted and pointed out that it also seemed some guys may have been saving equipment, but I didn't get that feeling watching the video.
Regardless, Larson's a fine talent, but let's not exaggerate the kid's accomplishments. He has plenty that are undisputable - no reason to embellish any - it cheapens the legitimate ones.
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Actually he started row 11 outside. Get your facts straight before you start hating! Ya ya ya to all the rest, so what. Show me a winner, from deep in the field, that hasn't ever benefitted from reds/yellows or questionable moves, it's whether or not you've got the balls to make those moves that separates the real racers from the also rans! Keep it going Kyle!
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July 18, 2013 at
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Posted By: Mod9Fan on July 18 2013 at 12:10:35 PM
Actually he started row 11 outside. Get your facts straight before you start hating! Ya ya ya to all the rest, so what. Show me a winner, from deep in the field, that hasn't ever benefitted from reds/yellows or questionable moves, it's whether or not you've got the balls to make those moves that separates the real racers from the also rans! Keep it going Kyle!
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Ditto. Guy acts like the country is full of drivers that jump into 6 different kinds of cars and consistently win in them. Best talent in the country right now--hands down.
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July 18, 2013 at
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Here is the finishing order from the race. This is from the "official" WoO site and sent to me in email form which I have copied and pasted for your benefit.
A-Main 2 - (31 Laps-due to green white checkered finish): 1. 9-Daryn Pittman [6]; 2. 1K-Kyle Larson [26]; 3. 1-Sammy Swindell [9]; 4. 7S-Jason Sides [1]; 5. 6-David Gravel [2]; 6. 51-Paul McMahan [5]; 7. 15-Donny Schatz [19]; 8. 59-Jac Haudenschild [18]; 9. 29-Kerry Madsen [12]; 10. 15H-Sam Hafertepe Jr [17]; 11. 83-Tim Kaeding [7]; 12. 7-Craig Dollansky [3]; 13. 71M-Joey Saldana [15]; 14. 19-Stevie Smith [23]; 15. 63-Chad Kemenah [16]; 16. 4-Cody Darrah [4]; 17. 45-Danny Holtgraver [13]; 18. 2L-Ed Lynch Jr [11]; 19. 6R-Bill Rose [21]; 20. 83X-Tim Shaffer [8]; 21. 2-Dale Blaney [10]; 22. 19M-Brent Marks [14]; 23. 11-Steve Kinser [20]; 24. 27-Lance Dewease [22]; 25. 94-Jack Sodeman [25]. Lap Leaders: Jason Sides 1-3, Cody Darrah 4-29, Daryn Pittman 30-31. KSE Hard Charger Award: 1K-Kyle Larson [+24].
Note the second place car (Larson) with his starting position after his name (26). At the end note the KSE Hard Charger Award "1K Kyle Larson (+24)."
For someone who is totally "neutral" you skew the facts to actually show a bias.
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July 18, 2013 at
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I will stand corrected - I originally based the starting spot off the first restart. Larson did truly start outside Row 11. Still, not 26th as posted and there was a lot more to it than him just blowing the doors off cars.
And opnwhlr, I already explained why the results aren't applicable - they show 26th but he didn't start 26th. You can copy and paste for my benefit all you want, but it's not correct. Watch the video if you need further clarification.
It's quite fascinating what success can get you - Larson had some pretty debatable moves in this race. He hopped the cushion when sliding Shaffer with wreckless abandon. Jason Johnson gets a bad rap for those moves, yet Larson gets credit. Something doesn't quite seem right about that. They're both winning.
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July 18, 2013 at
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Posted By: Mod9Fan on July 18 2013 at 12:10:35 PM
Actually he started row 11 outside. Get your facts straight before you start hating! Ya ya ya to all the rest, so what. Show me a winner, from deep in the field, that hasn't ever benefitted from reds/yellows or questionable moves, it's whether or not you've got the balls to make those moves that separates the real racers from the also rans! Keep it going Kyle!
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+1. err +2.
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July 18, 2013 at
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Posted By: egras on July 18 2013 at 12:19:27 PM
Ditto. Guy acts like the country is full of drivers that jump into 6 different kinds of cars and consistently win in them. Best talent in the country right now--hands down.
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I'm not sure what this had to do with anything. I am not debatabing Larson's talents at all and if you would comprehend the original post, it's pretty obvious I'm giving him a lot of credit - which is deserved.
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July 18, 2013 at
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Posted By: SprintFan16 on July 18 2013 at 11:56:57 AM
I will preface this by saying I'm completely neutral to Kyle Larson and believe he's a great talent and enjoy watching him wherever he shows up, but after watching the video of his second A-Main run at Lernerville, I have to say that it wasn't as impressive as it's being made out to be.
First, Larson did not start 26th on the grid. He may have on paper, but he started inside row 9 on the actual track (17th). Second, he had perfect help from cautions/reds. This led to a few cars in front of him dropping out, saved him on a late restart when he got over the berm in two and lost several positions and generally bunched up the field to allow for him to pass on restarts. Third, he had some pretty iffy moves. It didn't show him and Dollansky getting together on video but it did show him almost stuff Tim Shaffer coming off of two (Shaffer lifted or they were both going for a ride).
Point being, it was an impressive run but not as ultra impressive as posters on here have been making it out to be. It was a combination of skill, attrition, and luck. Someone else posted and pointed out that it also seemed some guys may have been saving equipment, but I didn't get that feeling watching the video.
Regardless, Larson's a fine talent, but let's not exaggerate the kid's accomplishments. He has plenty that are undisputable - no reason to embellish any - it cheapens the legitimate ones.
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You have lost your mind! Racing is a combination of controlled aggression, skill, and luck. You don't pass 25 cars in 30 laps by being timid The kid did a great job against the best in the business. IMPRESSIVE!!!!
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July 18, 2013 at
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Larson is impressive coming from where he started. Seven or eight of the full time outlaws lost spots from where they started. They all had the same benefits of cautions and restarts but weren't able to do what Larson did. Schatz is the only one that did anything close to what he did.
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July 18, 2013 at
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Posted By: Casprintman on July 18 2013 at 01:13:36 PM
You have lost your mind! Racing is a combination of controlled aggression, skill, and luck. You don't pass 25 cars in 30 laps by being timid The kid did a great job against the best in the business. IMPRESSIVE!!!!
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How many drivers come from the back of the pack in a feild of cars like this in todays world?? Not very many!! To me, right now he IS my favorite to win the Knoxville Nationals!
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July 18, 2013 at
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Posted By: SprintFan16 on July 18 2013 at 11:56:57 AM
I will preface this by saying I'm completely neutral to Kyle Larson and believe he's a great talent and enjoy watching him wherever he shows up, but after watching the video of his second A-Main run at Lernerville, I have to say that it wasn't as impressive as it's being made out to be.
First, Larson did not start 26th on the grid. He may have on paper, but he started inside row 9 on the actual track (17th). Second, he had perfect help from cautions/reds. This led to a few cars in front of him dropping out, saved him on a late restart when he got over the berm in two and lost several positions and generally bunched up the field to allow for him to pass on restarts. Third, he had some pretty iffy moves. It didn't show him and Dollansky getting together on video but it did show him almost stuff Tim Shaffer coming off of two (Shaffer lifted or they were both going for a ride).
Point being, it was an impressive run but not as ultra impressive as posters on here have been making it out to be. It was a combination of skill, attrition, and luck. Someone else posted and pointed out that it also seemed some guys may have been saving equipment, but I didn't get that feeling watching the video.
Regardless, Larson's a fine talent, but let's not exaggerate the kid's accomplishments. He has plenty that are undisputable - no reason to embellish any - it cheapens the legitimate ones.
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I wholeheartedly disagree with you. I suppose if your looking to find fault with a drivers accomplishments you'll always be able to muster up something. Bottom line here is, Larson DID achieve one hell of a feat and I guarantee you that if you were to poll the touring Outlaw drivers they would feel the same. Pittman said it best when asked about seeing Larson’s nose wing late in the race, and knowing he started last, Pittman replied, “He’s Kyle Larson, he’s always got a chance.”
Cheers!
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Posted By: SprintFan16 on July 18 2013 at 12:57:31 PM
I will stand corrected - I originally based the starting spot off the first restart. Larson did truly start outside Row 11. Still, not 26th as posted and there was a lot more to it than him just blowing the doors off cars.
And opnwhlr, I already explained why the results aren't applicable - they show 26th but he didn't start 26th. You can copy and paste for my benefit all you want, but it's not correct. Watch the video if you need further clarification.
It's quite fascinating what success can get you - Larson had some pretty debatable moves in this race. He hopped the cushion when sliding Shaffer with wreckless abandon. Jason Johnson gets a bad rap for those moves, yet Larson gets credit. Something doesn't quite seem right about that. They're both winning.
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Debatable moves.Wreckless abandon. WOW a race car driver taking chances can you get a grip on that
That is not what I pay to see or maybe it is
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July 18, 2013 at
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Posted By: SprintFan16 on July 18 2013 at 01:03:57 PM
I'm not sure what this had to do with anything. I am not debatabing Larson's talents at all and if you would comprehend the original post, it's pretty obvious I'm giving him a lot of credit - which is deserved.
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? You spent your entire post diminishing the accomplishment of coming from the back to 2nd place. How did I not comprehend it? To sum it up--they gave him a bunch of extra spots on the start--he got the cautions in just the right place--almost wrecked, only to be saved by a yellow--ran everyone over and every other car blew up. I think I read it correctly.
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July 18, 2013 at
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Posted By: egras on July 18 2013 at 08:17:49 PM
? You spent your entire post diminishing the accomplishment of coming from the back to 2nd place. How did I not comprehend it? To sum it up--they gave him a bunch of extra spots on the start--he got the cautions in just the right place--almost wrecked, only to be saved by a yellow--ran everyone over and every other car blew up. I think I read it correctly.
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everyone can make all the "he had it given to him" bullshit excuses in the world but the fact is he drove (drives) his ass off every time he gets in a car and has an incredible knack for feeling where the car should be on the track. doesnt matter how he got to the front, he did, and he drove buy all but one of the best in the business......and i dont care if was kinser, stewart, swindell, ect, ect, ect.......i would still be giving props for such an excellent drive while other drivers bitch about chassis this and tires that, larson just drives his ass off everywhere he goes. (yeah, i know....he didnt win in posse land but he still drove his ass off  )
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July 18, 2013 at
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Posted By: egras on July 18 2013 at 08:17:49 PM
? You spent your entire post diminishing the accomplishment of coming from the back to 2nd place. How did I not comprehend it? To sum it up--they gave him a bunch of extra spots on the start--he got the cautions in just the right place--almost wrecked, only to be saved by a yellow--ran everyone over and every other car blew up. I think I read it correctly.
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So, I have to ask: Did you actually read the post or are you just cherry picking the points you want?
I'll help you out - look for where I'm not talking about Lernerville specifically and you'll hopefully figure it out.
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July 18, 2013 at
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Posted By: SprintFan16 on July 18 2013 at 09:13:23 PM
So, I have to ask: Did you actually read the post or are you just cherry picking the points you want?
I'll help you out - look for where I'm not talking about Lernerville specifically and you'll hopefully figure it out.
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Alright--truce--just took what you said in a totally different context than what you obviously meant.
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