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November 20, 2012 at
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per winged nation twitter
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November 20, 2012 at
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Posted By: sprntcar7 on November 20 2012 at 05:15:55 PM
per winged nation twitter
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Of coarse.
Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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November 20, 2012 at
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They(ASCS) checked them TWICE this year. Legal both times.
Ford developes a new motor for the series, now the haters come foward.
Success is due to the driver, not just the motor
Maybe Wayne Johnson should buy a Roush Yates.
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November 20, 2012 at
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November 20, 2012 at
07:03:53 PM by JeremyAnderson
According to Chris Moss of RY, there will be no rules changes for the Fords or RY. A team owner directly asked the question to the ASCS tech director last week end. The ASCS official told the team owner that there would be NO rules change.
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November 20, 2012 at
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I hear they make 920 hp at the wheels.
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November 20, 2012 at
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Ford Fans have not been taking the news well
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November 20, 2012 at
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Posted By: brettco on November 20 2012 at 07:05:50 PM
I hear they make 920 hp at the wheels.
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That's funny!^^^^^^
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November 20, 2012 at
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Posted By: JeremyAnderson on November 20 2012 at 07:13:47 PM
That's funny!^^^^^^
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I made it up so I could fit in around here. 980hp mopar/ right. Builders don't find 60hp over the off season or they wouldn't......... Nevermind.
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November 20, 2012 at
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The report I get is the Ford heads out of the box will out flow the Chevy heads that have all of the "legal" mods done to them.
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November 20, 2012 at
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Posted By: Hawker on November 20 2012 at 08:35:28 PM
The report I get is the Ford heads out of the box will out flow the Chevy heads that have all of the "legal" mods done to them.
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build a better "Mousetrap"
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November 20, 2012 at
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November 20, 2012 at
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Posted By: Hawker on November 20 2012 at 08:35:28 PM
The report I get is the Ford heads out of the box will out flow the Chevy heads that have all of the "legal" mods done to them.
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I heard this years ago but it just can't be true. Certainly all the serious ASCS and other smart 360 sprint car racers all over the country would have gone to the Ford long ago if it was such a performance advantage right??????? They wouldn't run a chevy knowing it was the inferior choice would they??????
I hope all the countless fans over the last 50 years spending their hard earned money for millions of tickets have seen the absolute best effort and equipment available right?????? This is really unsettling if there has been a piece as significant as a better engine being basically ignored by those in our beloved sport. Many said it was just a fluke that Luna embarrassed everyone but Karl Kinser for years.....but maybe it wasn't!!!!! This is becoming an enlightening yet troubling chain of events!!!!
Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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November 20, 2012 at
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Posted By: n2sprints on November 20 2012 at 06:54:09 PM
They(ASCS) checked them TWICE this year. Legal both times.
Ford developes a new motor for the series, now the haters come foward.
Success is due to the driver, not just the motor
Maybe Wayne Johnson should buy a Roush Yates.
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Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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Posted By: n2sprints on November 20 2012 at 06:54:09 PM
They(ASCS) checked them TWICE this year. Legal both times.
Ford developes a new motor for the series, now the haters come foward.
Success is due to the driver, not just the motor
Maybe Wayne Johnson should buy a Roush Yates.
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Second that. JJ was a stud with the bowtie under the hood.
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Posted By: minthess on November 20 2012 at 09:03:53 PM
I heard this years ago but it just can't be true. Certainly all the serious ASCS and other smart 360 sprint car racers all over the country would have gone to the Ford long ago if it was such a performance advantage right??????? They wouldn't run a chevy knowing it was the inferior choice would they??????
I hope all the countless fans over the last 50 years spending their hard earned money for millions of tickets have seen the absolute best effort and equipment available right?????? This is really unsettling if there has been a piece as significant as a better engine being basically ignored by those in our beloved sport. Many said it was just a fluke that Luna embarrassed everyone but Karl Kinser for years.....but maybe it wasn't!!!!! This is becoming an enlightening yet troubling chain of events!!!!
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It is true that the Ford head flows much better than the Chevy, just call Weld Tech if you doubt it.
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November 20, 2012 at
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Can someone please educate me? Everyone knows that Brodix makes the ASCS Chevy head. Do they also make the Ford head? I know that the intake runner of the Brodix only has "Spec" cast into the intake runner whereas the Chevy has "ASCS". Also, it is my understanding that the intake runner on the Ford is considerably shorter. Can anyone please debunk or confirm?
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November 20, 2012 at
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Can you put extra butter on my popcorn please? This is getting good. I'll take a Dr. Pepper too.
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November 20, 2012 at
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The Ford and Chevy are like comparing apples and oranges. In my opinion there are Some very distinct advantages to the Ford head. Some of them are as follows: The Ford comes stock with a 20° Valve angle. The Chevy is 23°. This does multiple things. First, just based on the valve angle it should flow more air. Second, it allows for less depth of the valve pocket in the piston. This allows you to have a lighter piston and also get more compression with less valve pocket depth. The intake runner on the Ford head is approximately .800" shorter than the Chevy head. While the ford head is supposed to be 195 cc compared to the Chevys 215 cc. If you subtract .800" off of the Chevy head and CC it the same way as the Ford it is only about 182 cc. There is also trouble when referring to the pushrod pinch on the Chevy compared to the Ford. Ultimately, that pushrod pinch is really what chokes down the airflow entering the Chevy head. Considering the Chevy head is longer in that area the pushrod pinch should never be touched by the port matching process. On the Ford head the pushrod runs adjacent to The face of the intake runner. So if you can go in three quarters of an inch legally ultimately you can remove the negative effects of the pushrod pinch on the Ford head compared to the Chevy. Although I have not made a mold of the Ford intake port, it seems to me that there is a much straighter shot at the valve as compared to the Chevy. Also the Ford intake runner does not have any material on the front side of the intake guide, Where has the Chevy has a big glob of casting in front of the guide on the air inlet side. I do not have enough experience to report on the benefits of symmetrical cylinders, square exhaust ports and different spark plug locations. However, it would be nice to be able to use the same piston design in every cylinder Unlike the Chevy that has four left and four right pistons.
Obviously the folks at Roush Yates have done a super job of developing this product in a relatively short amount of time. They have some of the best people in the industry employed there, and the results speak for themselves.
It's really not a matter Of whether the Ford engine is legal or not, it's just significantly different from the Chevrolet. Enough so that in my opinion the advantages are significant. Considering that horsepower is a mathematical function of torque and Rpm they have done an excellent job of moving the peak torque up in the RPM band in order to achieve a higher horsepower result.
Rome wasn't built in a day......but they sure didn't
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November 20, 2012 at
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The intake port on the Ford flows 2-3 cfm better then the Chevy out of the box. Legally worked over they flow the same. The exhaust port on the Chevy flows better in every form then the Ford. Brodix did a good job of equalizing the two heads. The guys at Brodix are no dumbies.
The power curve of a Ford and Chevy are completely differant even with similar injectors and the same cam. If anyone wants a Chevy, just give us a call! Yes, we do them too.....
The guys and girl racing these engines have done a great job this year. Thanks to all of the teams! Every one at Roush Yates take a lot of pride in these engines. We have the honor of serving race teams from all corners of the earth and ever form of motorsport (even monster trucks). If any of you Hoseheads guys are in the Mooresville NC, send me a PM and I'll show you around. Even you Wesmar! 
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Thanks for the education...Now granted, I know just enough of the technical part of sprint car racing and performance engines to be dangerous (now if you want to talk aircraft engines, that's a different story!). To touch on the "peak torque"...I have another question.... If indeed the peak torque is at a higher RPM, that must make a considerable difference in the gear that the Ford can run, which in turn should really make it a "stump puller" off the corners? Am I off base here???
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Posted By: Hawker on November 20 2012 at 11:31:21 PM
Thanks for the education...Now granted, I know just enough of the technical part of sprint car racing and performance engines to be dangerous (now if you want to talk aircraft engines, that's a different story!). To touch on the "peak torque"...I have another question.... If indeed the peak torque is at a higher RPM, that must make a considerable difference in the gear that the Ford can run, which in turn should really make it a "stump puller" off the corners? Am I off base here???
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