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Real curious to see what happens with the tire rules. As far I can see, Knoxville does not have their 2013 schedule posted.. Will Knoxville Regs that buy Hoosiers all year be forced to get AR tires for the one WoO show? Will there even be a sanctioned WoO show at Knoxville this year? I understand that there may not be a replacement for Toby Kruse as promoter/GM... so it will be interesting to see how things turn out for Knoxville this year.

also.... Nascar scheduled an Iowa Speedway Nationwide race the same day where the Knoxville WoO show "would be" scheduled. Won't be surprised if there's not a WoO show in Ktown this year. Food for thought.

Very honestly WoO14 I don't agree with your opinion all that much but I will say that I'm on the same page. I know guys say they will need to buy a couple of front tires they normally wouldn't but they can use them the next time they go to an Outlaw sanctioned race again. I'm not saying its the best arrangement in the world to have to run different tires but I don't see it being the deal breaker that some are predicting, yet some are at the forefront every year predicting the end of the Outlaws and sprint car racing in general, yet every year they seem to be back.

The 1 thing I wonder is if the Knoxville Nationals will run a AR or a Hoosier as it doesn't ever appear the WoO's have much more than their name on the deal. Even if the WoO guys had to run Hoosiers just for that I would say that they would be able to open an old notebook and find the setup. Donny is usually fast on Hoosiers.

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It would be better for your locals if the Outlaws were on American Racers all year and then had to run your tire for the Nationals. I would give up some competitiveness for 2 regular Outlaw shows to be able to kick their asses when it pays 10 grand to start and $150,000 to win. I would hope they run American Racer if I were you. Central PA on the other hand is in the complete other end of the spectrum. Our big money is on the line when the Outlaws are in town.

 
 
 
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If Knoxville has a contract with Hoosier why would Hoosier let Knoxville run a race where the cars will run a different tire? In my mind if your going to race at Knoxville it will be on Hoosiers.

I would not be suprised to see no Outlaws shows there either. Really who cares they are usually high dollar rubber down shows anymore anyway.

I totally agree, It's the Knoxville Nationals, not the WoO Nationals.. They will run with the track rules...It is totally STUPID for the track to pay the sanction fees to the guys that will be there anyway...As Ive said before if they decide to stay away, oh well their loss. Maybe a deserving first time winner will emerge...

Why keep trying to slow the 410's down? Now they want to put the 410's with 150-200 more hp on the 16 inch tire the 360's run,makes no sense.I for one would like to see American Racer get a shot at supplying the tires,they have hung in there thru the years giving the racer an affordable tire while Goodyear and Hoosier have been gouging them.The only time Kville has a decent attendance is when special shows like the WoO are there. And as far as the Nationals without the WoO's,that's plain stupid and would drop fan attendance like a rock.The nationals is supposed to be the best sprint car drivers in the world,yes you could get a new first time winner without the Outlaws there,but what does that mean if they didn't race against the best? Might be a good race,but we can watch good races around our own areas,we don't need to go to Kville to see a second rate nationals.

The best drivers in the world will be at the Nats no matter if the WoO sanctions it or not.

It has not always been a WoO sanctioned race and Knoxville really gains nothing by having it a WoO sanctioned race.

Knoxville has always had and always will have total control over the Nats no matter who sanctions it.

This, I'm sure, would not be acceptable but I think "local tracks" should make their best tire deal for all concerned. IF the traveler's wish to book a date fine...the locals run what they run weekly and the big boys run their series tire. End of confusion.

 
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YOU'RE COLD?"

Not realistic. If you want the sprint car world to be SPLINTERED go that route. You need to look no further than the northeast dirt modifieds. Each track has their own tire rules, body style rules, tire deals, fuel deals etc, and fans are now watching a slow death to their sport. The beauty of sprint car racing as we know it today, is that a car is basically legal from Ca to Pa. Be careful what you wish for????

there will be no effect on nationals. i am just curious to know how local teams will handle spending another grand just on tires for WoO show that pays 800 to start... hmmm

I strongly disagree. How often do the travelers visit a track? 99% get one visit a year.

Now, how many races do the local guys run? 20, 30, ...but whatever, if they settle on a tire and they can get a good deal then go for it. I am strongly opposed to having to buy tires just to run a race with the travelers. Makes absolutely no $en$e!

 
I LEARNED ESP FROM MY MOM

"PUT YOUR SWEATER ON: DON'T YOU THINK I KNOW WHEN 
YOU'RE COLD?"

Normally I would say that the locals should have waited until the travelers made their decision but since the travelers seem to always go out of their way to alienate the locals over the past few years. If the Outlaws were as popular as they used to be and you had 30cars guaranteed every race, then this would be a different arguement. But since this is the Knoxville Nationals, everyone should be racing on hoosiers. Some of the other smaller tracks/promotions that still depend on events like the Outlaws, probably should wait to see what the Outlaws decide before the track decides what tire to run. But, those places are starting to become very few and far between.

What other form of racing does a track make the tire rule for the traveling series,you only find this stuff in dirt racing.Other than the Nats. Kville is just another dirt track.Not only are they wanting to determine the brand of tire for all of 410 racing,they are picking a narrower one that the lower powered cars race on.Maybe they should put the 360's on a 14 inch tire.Don't count on Kville to make decisions that are always best for the sport.

Yeah really, who cares. There are plenty of tracks in the U.S. and Canada desperate for a WoO race. Losing a routine race or two at Knoxville not a game changer for anybody. Also, I don't think the WoO drivers would have a problem buying a couple Hoosier tires for a Knoxville event. Hell, most teams would practice on Hoosier, a tire always preferred for the guy who OWNS the Knoxville Nationals---at least in the modern era of racing when everyone has the same equipment, where no one wins 40 to 50 races a year.

For that matter, if Knoxville gets to hard ass, replace the Nationals to a new track like Bristol Speedway (with clay on it of course), call it the New WoO Sprint Car Nationals. After a couple years, the Knoxville Nationals would only be a memory, though a good one.

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Seattle, LA  Who the H runs those cities. 

More weight, more regulation, more similarity in the 
cars.... that will ensure plenty of thrills for years 
to come.  Only the most average talent behind the 
wheel will be needed with such awesome equipment on 
the track!
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Knoxville just jumped the gun on this one,a decision like this should have been agreed on by Kville,the WoO,and Posse tracks at the very least.Remember,this is not just a brand change,it's a change to a narrower harder tire.I love going to Kville and do more than most I suspect,I just think they have gotten a little too big for their britches on this one.I wonder how much politics is playing in to this decision to run on the ASCS Hoosier tire,Hoosier will dang sure have the manopoly if this thing sticks and sways the 410 class.