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July 21, 2012 at
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Teams are having a hard time getting tires because Goodyear is trying to get rid of their stockpile because their contract is up at the end of the year.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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July 21, 2012 at
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I hope they stick with Goodyear. Don't want to go back to shitty racing.
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July 21, 2012 at
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Posted By: SLINK51 on July 21 2012 at 11:52:17 AM
I hope they stick with Goodyear. Don't want to go back to shitty racing.
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I don't think it can be refuted that the Goodyears unhooked the cars more. Teams have been competing with less horsepower. 410 car counts in PA have gone up.
The same thing can be done by Hoosier or American Racer a lot cheaper though. Goodyears are $210 a piece. American Racer could build a good $150 tire if given the chance.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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July 21, 2012 at
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JMO, but I'd like to see them unhook the cars a little more. I love to watch drivers who can "drive" a car instead of one that's just planted down and goes fast. It seems then that it's nothing but a choo choo train,
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July 21, 2012 at
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I love to watch drivers who can "drive" a car instead of one that's just planted down and goes fast.......That's called wingless sprint car racing.
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July 21, 2012 at
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No matter if Central PA goes to Hoosiers or American Racer (if Goodyear gets out), you will most likely still have the same crybabies whining about something with the new tires.
Different year, same shit.
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July 21, 2012 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on July 21 2012 at 11:57:59 AM
I don't think it can be refuted that the Goodyears unhooked the cars more. Teams have been competing with less horsepower. 410 car counts in PA have gone up.
The same thing can be done by Hoosier or American Racer a lot cheaper though. Goodyears are $210 a piece. American Racer could build a good $150 tire if given the chance.
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If Hoosier wants back into WoO /410 sprint cars there is no way American Racer will ever compete with what Hoosier will give WoO and the tracks. And then American Racer will cry foul and try and sue Hoosier unsuccessfully for the umpteenth time..... If WoO and the tracks were really looking out for the racers they would go with all three brands and have a limited (say three) compound rule.
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July 21, 2012 at
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Posted By: D1RT on July 21 2012 at 02:20:21 PM
If Hoosier wants back into WoO /410 sprint cars there is no way American Racer will ever compete with what Hoosier will give WoO and the tracks. And then American Racer will cry foul and try and sue Hoosier unsuccessfully for the umpteenth time..... If WoO and the tracks were really looking out for the racers they would go with all three brands and have a limited (say three) compound rule.
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Compound isn't the biggest difference between the Goodyear rule tire and the Hoosier before it, construction is. The Outlaws did away with the high growth left rear drag tire with Goodyear.
Kind of hard to do that with three different tire companies involved.
Pretty easy to ask American Racer to make them whatever they want for $150, and hopefully something that will last 100 laps, so they quit having races where every car blows a tire. There is also a safety (and wasting money if you crash) aspect to everyone blowing tires all the time.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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July 21, 2012 at
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who gives a rats ass what you people want to "see". let the drivers and crews and worry about the race cars
do it in the dirt
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July 21, 2012 at
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Posted By: meatbag on July 21 2012 at 03:40:14 PM
who gives a rats ass what you people want to "see". let the drivers and crews and worry about the race cars
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Ignore the fan's wishes and watch more tracks close and those drivers and crews won't have anything to worry about. It's a symbiotic relationship and anyone that doesn't recognize this is doomed to failure.
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Posted By: cubicdollars on July 21 2012 at 02:39:57 PM
Compound isn't the biggest difference between the Goodyear rule tire and the Hoosier before it, construction is. The Outlaws did away with the high growth left rear drag tire with Goodyear.
Kind of hard to do that with three different tire companies involved.
Pretty easy to ask American Racer to make them whatever they want for $150, and hopefully something that will last 100 laps, so they quit having races where every car blows a tire. There is also a safety (and wasting money if you crash) aspect to everyone blowing tires all the time.
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WoO and the Big "2" tracks Knoxville and Williams Grove will go with whatever tire company puts the most $$$$$$$ in their pockets regardless of what the teams want........ The three compound rule works VERY well with the Lucas Oil(Hoosier,AR,GY) and UMP (Hoosier) late model series who regularly run 100 lap races.
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Posted By: cubicdollars on July 21 2012 at 11:57:59 AM
I don't think it can be refuted that the Goodyears unhooked the cars more. Teams have been competing with less horsepower. 410 car counts in PA have gone up.
The same thing can be done by Hoosier or American Racer a lot cheaper though. Goodyears are $210 a piece. American Racer could build a good $150 tire if given the chance.
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Goodyear could sell tires for $150 also if they were forced to compete with another tire company.
Just set the specs that the tires must meet and let any tire company that wants to make and sell sprint car tires get in on the action.
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July 22, 2012 at
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My Mr. Tire Company doesn't sell American Racers or Hoosiers for that matter...I'm sticking with Goodyears on my street cars...
Opinions may vary...
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July 22, 2012 at
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Posted By: kooks on July 21 2012 at 08:12:56 PM
Goodyear could sell tires for $150 also if they were forced to compete with another tire company.
Just set the specs that the tires must meet and let any tire company that wants to make and sell sprint car tires get in on the action.
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Competing manufacturers, other than initial contract bidding, doesn't work for spec tires in any major series, F-1, IRL, NASCAR or NHRA for obvious reasons.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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Posted By: cubicdollars on July 22 2012 at 07:13:27 PM
Competing manufacturers, other than initial contract bidding, doesn't work for spec tires in any major series, F-1, IRL, NASCAR or NHRA for obvious reasons.
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Where/when was is tried?
If the specs were inclusive enough and the officials had the backbone to disqualify a tire that didn't meet specs I'm guessing that the tire manufacturers would make the tires to the specs.
It would need to involve more than just compound. It would need to include dimensions. Sidewall stiffness and thickness, overall tire weight and more.
Basically do as much as possible to make the tire from every company the same.
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Posted By: kooks on July 22 2012 at 09:30:35 PM
Where/when was is tried?
If the specs were inclusive enough and the officials had the backbone to disqualify a tire that didn't meet specs I'm guessing that the tire manufacturers would make the tires to the specs.
It would need to involve more than just compound. It would need to include dimensions. Sidewall stiffness and thickness, overall tire weight and more.
Basically do as much as possible to make the tire from every company the same.
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"Basically do as much as possible to make the tire from every company the same."
Then what's the point if they are all the same.
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Posted By: SLINK51 on July 22 2012 at 09:42:56 PM
"Basically do as much as possible to make the tire from every company the same."
Then what's the point if they are all the same.
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Price competition
IMO, Lack of price competition is the only drawback to the current deal.
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Posted By: kooks on July 22 2012 at 10:45:22 PM
Price competition
IMO, Lack of price competition is the only drawback to the current deal.
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I guess there is always a first time, but racing doesn't work like the real world. That's why F-1, NASCAR and the NHRA only have one tire manufscturer. What wins sells, and it cost more money to develop a faster tire than the next guy. And faster tires in all those series made for worse racing that's why they placed size, compound and construction restrictions, as well as for safety concerns. Competition only has it's place during contract bidding with major sanctioning bodies.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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Posted By: cubicdollars on July 23 2012 at 07:15:54 AM
I guess there is always a first time, but racing doesn't work like the real world. That's why F-1, NASCAR and the NHRA only have one tire manufscturer. What wins sells, and it cost more money to develop a faster tire than the next guy. And faster tires in all those series made for worse racing that's why they placed size, compound and construction restrictions, as well as for safety concerns. Competition only has it's place during contract bidding with major sanctioning bodies.
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Has a spec tire series with more than one tire manufacturer ever been tried?
Also when these tire companies "compete" for the contract is the tire price set for the life of the contract?
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