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Johnny Key Classic

Sept. 28, 2007

The qualifying and race format will be as follows.

Appearances

Cars will be eligible for race after making one (1) Wright One 360 series appearance prior to Sept. 28, 2007.An attempt to qualify will be considered an appearance.

Qualifying

Starting June 29, 2007 and continuing thru August 31, 2007 cars will pre-qualify. That will be accomplished by taking finishing positions 1,2,and 3 in the A-main for those four nights and “locking” them into a starting spot in the Key race. After the first night of pre-qualifying the top three (3) cars in the A-main NOT already pre-qualified will be taken and so on until the final night of pre-qualifying. After August 31, 2007 the top two (2) cars in Wright One 360 Series points that have NOT secured a starting spot in the Key race will be included in the Key race line up. On the night of Sept. 28, 2007 any car with at least one (1) prior Wright One 360 appearance can attempt to make the Key race by taking time trials and finishing in the top eight (8) positions of the B-main. If needed a C-main will also be ran on that night with cars transferring to the B-main. The number of cars transferring from the C-main will be determined as necessary. Also there will be a total of two (2) provisional spots that will be reserved as well. Those spots may or may not be filled at the discretion of the series sponsor and the promoter.

Race night format

Cars not “locked” into Key race will hot lap and take two (2) timed qualifying laps. The fastest eighteen (18) qualifiers will line “straight up” with the fastest car on the pole for the B-main. The B-main will be 12 laps. The top eight (8) cars in the B-main will line “straight up” according to the way they qualified behind cars already pre-qualified in the Key race. Provisional cars, if any, will tag rear of Key race. Cars that have pre-qualified will be allowed an opportunity to hot lap during the night before the Key race. There will be two six (6) lap dashes consisting of the fourteen (14) cars that have pre qualified, seven cars in each dash. The starting order of the dashes will be determined by each pre-qualified driver pill picking for their starting spot. The pill pick will determine which dash and which position in the dash a car starts in.   The finishing order of the first dash will determine the first seven (7) inside row starting spots for the Key. The finishing order of the second dash will determine the first seven (7) outside row starting spots for the Key. The B-main and provisional cars will follow in the line up as stated previously.

Johnny Key Race Laps

The Key race will consist of a total of fifty (50) laps. There will be two (2) twenty-five (25) lap segments. At the conclusion of the first segment the cars will be stopped on the front straight in front of the grandstands. There will be a 12-15 minute intermission in which cars can refuel, change tires, and make whatever adjustments the crews can do on the front straight before teams are signaled to leave the track and cars are pushed off. Cars will be lined up to resume the race in the order in which they finished the first segment. The last ten (10) laps of the Key race will be run with yellow flag laps NOT counting. The race will finish with at least a green, white, checker to ensure the last two laps are racing laps.

To participating teams

Please work with us to make this a great event. We know everyone has there own opinion of how things should be done. Unfortunately we can never make everyone happy. So please keep that in mind. Minor adjustment may be made to this as deemed necessary by the track.

updated 06267

John Prentice

 Looks like the first "Minor Adjustment" you’ll need to make is the date. Sept. 28 is the first day of a 2 day show at Kings Speedway that has been on their schedule for months now. Sprints (SCRA), (360 and 410 winged), Spec. Sprints, midgets, TQs, etc. I don’t know what the format is going to be, but personally, I don’t see how they are going to get all that racing in each night if they try to run a full program each night. BUT I’m going to be there and find out.

 Sorry, This race has been on my schedule since Dec. of 2006. I shared my schedule with Kings Promoter in Reno. I think this was an over sight on there end.We are very close to announcing the the purse for the race IM SURE that will help racers decide where to go.

Ocean Speedway

Way to bring back the tradition John! Gonna be a great night!

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i believe you changed this race date once already to avoid a conflict with chico did you not. and since there will be cars "locked" into the Key race prior to the race night i believe people will have made thier minds up as to where they are racing.

What determines the line ups for the 2 dashs?

i am going out on a limb here so please note that for i may not be totaly correct. i was told the first 6 cars that lock in would pill pick for the 1st dash with the next six cars that lock in pill picking for 2nd dash. that leaves the 2 cars that get in on points. the higher in points will start in the back of the 1st dash with the lower in points tagging the back of the second dash.

but if it were up to me i would throw 14 numbers in a hat and have the locked in cars draw for starting spots. 1-7 1st dash 8-14 second dash

if the first 6 cars that lock in are in the first dash, seems like it would be benifical to be in the 2nd dash. chances are the first 6 to lock in would include bk, bud, henry, furr, & delte.

the first 6 that lock in should be front 3 rows of A main

or how bout inverting the dashes by points to speed things up and make a race out of it?

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like i said, if i had it my way we would put numbers 1-14 in a hat and draw. in my opinion that is the fairest way to do it. then you are treating everyone who "locked" into the race the same. i feel if you are a team that has supported the series and you got in on points you deserve as even of a chance as someone who raced their way in and raced every show in the series. and if we are going to let a car come in and possibly win on the last night of pre-qualifying and lock in with only that appearence, we should not treat them any different. once you are locked in everything should be equal. by drawing numbers you do away with favoring anyone over anyone else.you already have the potential to mix cars in that have been there every race and raced into the show with cars that have been there every race and got in on points and cars that have raced maybe one show and got in.so in that case you have been fair by giving everyone a shot at participating. but i wrote a statement in the release that says we can not make everyone happy. and that includes me as well. everyone has their own opinion on how things should be done. and it usually has something to do with benifiting them. that is why i said drawing for dash spots would be the best in my opinion.because that seems fair to everyone.the fast guys are going to want things done so that they have a better chance of starting up front. the less faster guys are going to want it their way and the cars that have only one race in but make the show are going to want it another way. i don't know how it will end up, it is not my call. all i can do is put my two cents in.but that don't mean your opinions are not wanted or are ignored. we want this to be a fun race and an exciting race and welcome all teams to come and run these next four 360 shows to set themselves up to be in a position to compete for the win in the Key race.

so the offical answer is nobody knows yet?

like i said, this is what i have been told. is it "official", i don't now. i am sure it will all be made clear soon. you do bring up a good point that it seems was not clarified. darn! i just hate missing on the little details. lol

the only detail missing is invert the dashes by points, lol

John has a great job with the key history and bringing back the process. He's done a great job taking over Wville and growing the tracks prominance.

Id like to see a 3 day woo show there after chico, even a 2 stop show.

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if you invert the dashes by points you reward a driver that has possibly made the race with only one appearence by putting him on the pole of a dash and in that case possibly the key race itself. now i am not against that happening, but i would rather have it happen by chance than by design. but haud on the pole of the key race might not be too bad. maybe with tk next to him. don't forget there will be some FAST cars looking to make the key race on the last 2 pre-qualifying nights.

Im pretty sure that CMP can correct me but the top 14 in points that make the dashes will not beare not going to be one appearance cars.

Besides, being on the pole for the Key has not neccesarily been the place to be. I think Rodda can provide stats on the last few winners and where they started.

But yeah, youre on the pole and first into traffic, lol.

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It's the top 14 in points who have pre-qualified. So yes, what team wright-one said is correct, you can reward a driver with only one appearance.

close. take a look at the release again. the top 3 cars in the main on the last 4 nites before the key are locked in. only the top 2 cars in points that have NOT locked in by then will lock in. those 14 cars are the locked in cars. those cars will be the dashes and the first seven rows of the a-main. it is not the highest 14 in points that pre-qualify or make the dashes. it is the cars that have locked in that make the dashes. the question that has been raised is how to determine the the line up for the dashes as the dash results will determine the line up of the first seven rows of the key race.

Update in "RED"

Johnny Key Classic

Sept. 28, 2007

The qualifying and race format will be as follows.

Appearances

Cars will be eligible for race after making one (1) Wright One 360 series appearance prior to Sept. 28, 2007.An attempt to qualify will be considered an appearance.

Qualifying

Starting June 29, 2007 and continuing thru August 31, 2007 cars will pre-qualify. That will be accomplished by taking finishing positions 1,2,and 3 in the A-main for those four nights and “locking” them into a starting spot in the Key race. After the first night of pre-qualifying the top three (3) cars in the A-main NOT already pre-qualified will be taken and so on until the final night of pre-qualifying. After August 31, 2007 the top two (2) cars in Wright One 360 Series points that have NOT secured a starting spot in the Key race will be included in the Key race line up. On the night of Sept. 28, 2007 any car with at least one (1) prior Wright One 360 appearance can attempt to make the Key race by taking time trials and finishing in the top eight (8) positions of the B-main. If needed a C-main will also be ran on that night with cars transferring to the B-main. The number of cars transferring from the C-main will be determined as necessary. Also there will be a total of two (2) provisional spots that will be reserved as well. Those spots may or may not be filled at the discretion of the series sponsor and the promoter.

Race night format

Cars not “locked” into Key race will hot lap and take two (2) timed qualifying laps. The fastest eighteen (18) qualifiers will line “straight up” with the fastest car on the pole for the B-main. The B-main will be 12 laps. The top eight (8) cars in the B-main will line “straight up” according to the way they qualified behind cars already pre-qualified in the Key race. Provisional cars, if any, will tag rear of Key race. Cars that have pre-qualified will be allowed an opportunity to hot lap during the night before the Key race. There will be two six (6) lap dashes consisting of the fourteen (14) cars that have pre qualified, seven cars in each dash. The starting order of the dashes will be determined by each pre-qualified driver pill picking for their starting spot. The pill pick will determine which dash and which position in the dash a car starts in.   The finishing order of the first dash will determine the first seven (7) inside row starting spots for the Key. The finishing order of the second dash will determine the first seven (7) outside row starting spots for the Key. The B-main and provisional cars will follow in the line up as stated previously. 

Johnny Key Race Laps

The Key race will consist of a total of fifty (50) laps. There will be two (2) twenty-five (25) lap segments. At the conclusion of the first segment the cars will be stopped on the front straight in front of the grandstands. There will be a 12-15 minute intermission in which cars can refuel, change tires, and make whatever adjustments the crews can do on the front straight before teams are signaled to leave the track and cars are pushed off. Cars will be lined up to resume the race in the order in which they finished the first segment. The last ten (10) laps of the Key race will be run with yellow flag laps NOT counting. The race will finish with at least a green, white, checker to ensure the last two laps are racing laps.

To participating teams

Please work with us to make this a great event. We know everyone has there own opinion of how things should be done. Unfortunately we can never make everyone happy. So please keep that in mind. Minor adjustment may be made to this as deemed necessary by the track.

updated 06267

John Prentice

thank you