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Are these still legal with ASCS ? I see that Speedway Motors still sells them, but thought that ASCS had taken that option out even for regional only events. Any help would be appreciated. The ASCS rules link on the site is broken.....

It matter how you spell your last name and what number and color your car is as to if the motor rule is in effect. This has been well known for numerous years now.

Like was said earlier ,the average Joe can't afford to race competetivly . Unless you can build your own engine $30 to $45 thousand seems to be the cost to compete . So much for the spec. head engine so as to save $$$$$ . Some ASCS groups still allow ASCS gaskets however .

Kelly - any idea if the Sooner region still allows these? Thinking of bringing my car back west the almost 800 miles and hanging out with the family for a few days at the end of June...Also may try to get Roy to drive it and see if he still has the magic touch at Creek. But I dont want to make that haul and then get grief when I get there.

Thanks - Joe Larkin

You probably won't win a National tour race on a 1/2 mile, but a 3 year old ASCS motor that goes for 15-18k will easily put you in the top 5 motor wise with most ASCS regional deals, and right up there on a smaller track with the national series as well.

That said, it is about time that ASCS did re evaluate their engine rules.

ASCS gaskets are not allowed on National Tour races but as stated there is several of the regions which allow gasket motors to run. There is a contact list on the ASCS website I would recommend contacting the regional series director and ask if your motor is ok before towing there.

I've never really suspected Kelly's motors of being illegal. They were the standard for a long time and are still good but they don't seem to have taken a big jump over 5 years ago. I can't say the same for some others though. Some have went from average to well above average in a matter of a year or two. Let's be honest, there's only so much that can "legally" be gotten with the current "rules". For the power to just continue to rise and rise is suspect at best.

Question for Kelly or any other engine builder, Mark Burch, Jeremy Anderson, etc, on the subject of gaskets. We all know what's being done to the heads and how they're getting around the little tool being used to check them. Would the gasket take a lot of that advantage away? Would it be easy to measure the gasket, both ways, through the injection? If so, would the gaskets be enough to reduce the advantage currently being gained by illegal heads? It wouldn't cost much at all. No one would have to throw anything away. Just add the gaskets next winter.

My point is this. We know the only way to actually check for illegals is to pull them off and inspect and measure. No one, including me, wants to do that. But it's gotten to the point where some are so far outside the box that something needs to be done. Some of these things look like 410s going the straightaway. The reason we liked 360s was because we could build our own, be in the same area code power-wise, and not have to worry about upgrading every year. That's quickly becoming not the case, at least not by doing it legally. I'd like to see something done to get it back under control and I'm wondering of the gaskets would be a good place to start.

Sorry for the novel. It's just irritates me more and more every time I go to a race and watch some cars just drive away down the straights. That didn't used to happen.

you can only get so much feul thru a 215 cc intake. I think some of the guys buy used heads that are not legal but most people know if legal or not. I know of a guy that got tore down and found not legal. He told us that he could not afford new heads and continued to run them. Why do 360 engine builders make not legal engines There is a set of ASCS rules that should be followed. a owner at Knoxvile has both drivers running 410. He said he could run a 410 for not more than ASCS 360. At knoxville the 410 get $3000 to win and last place in 24 lap feature gets $400. In 360 you get $1250 to win and $150 to run 18 lap feature. What is odd is that a 410 must run same RR all night long. A 360 team can put on a new tire foe each event like TT-heat-A main.

Well spoken.......great engines