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he is a true outlaw not a puppett on a string... he runs where he wants to ......when he wants to and with whom he wants to....

Curtis Davis

I don't know the answer but here is some simple logic to throw out there. Imagine that we've got an empty scale that is in perfect balance. On one side we'll put all the cash that it would cost Sammy's racing team to run up and down the highway, buy tires, keep their motors fresh, keep their equipment updated and pay for the incidentals like meals and lodging. Keep in mind that this is a racing team based in Windom, Minnesota, with a driver from the Memphis area so travel isn't just to get the hauler from here to there, when the driver goes home for a few days it's a long ways from the shop unless he's keeping the car in TN. Either way there are some logistics involved between the driver, sponsors and owner. So whatever that total cost is that's one side of the scale.

On the other side of the scale we'll put the total amount of cash that Sammy and the BGTS #1 team would receive IF they were to win the championship. It's a long season and it's only April, anything can happen. I don't know how much the Outlaw championship pays or how much that it costs to run a race team all over the country from February to November.

The only thing I can compare it to is a past WISSOTA Late Model champion that once told me it cost them twice as much as they made to chase the points title. True it's a different animal than the Outlaws but I have a hunch that the principle is the same and it takes a large investment to win a championship. Maybe somebody who actually has some inside knowledge of the actual numbers can verify that.

Sometimes if we were to actually know the numbers I think we'd realize that some of the questions we ask as fans aren't as simple or cut and dried as they might seem. One of my favorites is when a fan wonders "why wasn't so and so there, the race paid $3,000 to win?" A closer look at that scenario usually reveals those annoying little things called fact that might include things such as (a) they're based 500 miles from the track (b) the weather that weekend was more favorable in the other direction (c) they're running for points at their home track 15 miles down the road from the shop. Those are just a few scenarios that illustrate that there are usually reasons that we don't know involved in their decisions.

If he's not making a commitment maybe it's as simple as they never intended to follow the whole tour. I think the bottom line would have to be pretty good and those scales would have to tip in their favor to change plans in mid stride.

Stan Meissner

He's scared.

Seriously! Look at the record

Grady

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And I obviously just wasted ten minutes on logic. Simple logic at that...

Stan Meissner

He heard there is going to be a guy running the good stuff soon and knows he'll need some time off to recuperate.

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

Now that's funny! I don't know Sammy personally, but I've watched WOO for 30 years and Sammy is DEFINATELY not afraid to run against anybody and that includes NASCAR, IRL and F1.

Some friends of mine talked to Sammy's Dad at Padacuh last week and he says Sammy is running full tour this season..

I hope that is true, he is the best driver out there right now!!

For awhile now he is listed in the WoO drivers page and I believe that to only be full-time racers. Not like I know but maybe WRG sweetened the pot abit to entice Sammy and the Big Game team into finally signing on Full-time this year. I agree with Stans logic, also though Sammy has been at pretty much all the Outlaw races the last couple years anyways so they might as well sign up to pick up some of the extra money a full-time contract gets like the tow money and such. If he is running full-time the biggest downside is no Sammy running the 360 Nationals, well I'd guess there'll be some 360 competitors who won't see that as a downside.

For the guys who thinks he's scared of anything, rather than voicing that on a message board, I'm sure Sammy would have time to hear you tell him that in person in the pits, he may even have a response for you.

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Racing has changed over the years nothing diffrent then society we all live in today ! their are alot of drivers that have the experience and talent to run and win with the WOO it's just dollars and cents, as long as their is plenty of funds Sammy, Steve, Donny, Craig D, Joey, anyone would be on a contract, I gurantee when they win it's at best a break even deal for the owner, so running second means a financiall lose. Sprint car racing really is no diffrent then Nascar just on a much lower dollar scale but still real expensive, We just lost our two year Champion why? again bottom line is dollar and cents, WOO is run by money it needs to be profitable like any promoter, they make adjustments strickly to survive, corprate money will control this sport, Sammy will race like anyone else where he can make money.

I believe this, because when Sammy first got the points lead, his name was in black, like Jason Sides, Terry McCarl, Haud, ect. ect.. its now in gold with the likes of Saldana, Schatz, Kinser ect.ect.. my guess is, is that he will shoot for the title!! Or, I could be complete wrong and the color of the names don't make a difference, just seems all the confirmed full timers are in gold?

bullseye. perfectly said.

It's like going to PA to run the Outlaw shows....but maybe hanging around a little while - running some specials there for a few weeks and probably make a lot more in that time than if he were to continue the Outlaw chase. Potentially of course. But the same scenario - just applied across the nation. Probably a big difference between running for money and running for points --- esp when to pursue points cost probably 2-3x as much and you're running against Nascar funded teams.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

are you crazy, he has run wing and no wing for about 35 years. Sammy has been over these roads and tracks a million times. He has seen it all. I can not imagine traveling back and forth across the nation for 9 months. You would get dam tired of it real quick.

another good one.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

I would imagine that he has committed at this point. Mrs. Swindell had their new souvenir rig at Paducah last week which you have to be a "Outlaw" to do , correct? I hope he does run the tour, they need him.

I would think that they would be concentrating on getting Kevin in a racecar as well. I think it is his only chance of racing full time. As talented as Kevin is, I cant imagine a team owner wanting him. He is just too high maintenance and dramatic....

I would love to see him stay. Him and Steve cant do this forever. it would be nice to see Steve get up there and fight Sammy for the lead. I will settle for Sammy beating the 9 or 15 too