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March 30, 2012 at
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Another newcomer question: What are Silver Crown cars all about? Seems like a waste to build a car for 9 races a year. Did they formerly run on gasoline? 360s? Are they just a long time tradition?
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March 30, 2012 at
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Probably a dying series but sad if it happens. In my mind, since I've known about them 25 years ago, I've always thought they were the best looking race car in the world, the pavement ones especially, they sit lower than a dirt silver crown car.. Looks like a stretched out sprint car, that big 75 gallon methanol tank in back, about a 100" wheelbase. Those "new" silver crown cars, don't know if they are still around racing or not, supposed to be able to race em on 1 1/2 mile tracks, but they look like he11--ugly..
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March 30, 2012 at
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The Silver Crown cars are definitely a throw back to another time. As a youth I attended an AAA (predecessor to USAC) 100 mile race at the Indianapolis Fairgrounds (one mile dirt track) and the cars I saw that day really weren't much different than the later Silver Crown cars. For a number of years there was a Silver Crown race at Phoenix International Raceway as a part of the long gone Copper World Classic. Unfortunately the Copper World is no more so no more Silver Crown cars. Although they've raced on as small as a 3/8 mile track, they are far better suited for larger venues -- perhaps 3/4 to 1 mile. I'm not sure I'd want to see one on a 1 1/2 mile track though. If I remember correctly they run 358" engines. Shane Hmiel was driving one at the Terre Haute Action Track when he was so badly injured a couple of years ago. I don't remember what happend to it (hopefully it was scrapped) but in its infinite wisdom USAC came up with a new Silver Crown car design a few years back. It was designed specifically to run on the larger paved ovals and was, in my opinion, a real abortion!
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March 30, 2012 at
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March 30, 2012 at
06:41:09 PM by BIGFISH
They were know as big cars, or Champ dirt cars. I saw the best of the best run them as a kid at the Phoenix fairgrounds in the mid 50's to 62, and later at the Classic, Manzy, and USA.
THIS IS THE SCHEDULE THIS YEAR. GO SEE THEM IF YOU CAN.http://www.usacracing.com/silvercrown_index/schedule_sc
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March 30, 2012 at
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Posted By: revjimk on March 30 2012 at 04:26:08 PM
Another newcomer question: What are Silver Crown cars all about? Seems like a waste to build a car for 9 races a year. Did they formerly run on gasoline? 360s? Are they just a long time tradition?
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Silver Crown cars are thought of by many drivers as the Cadillac of sprint car races. The silver crown cars of today could probably run the the Indy 500 back in the 1950 s. There are a few races for them, remember NASCAR has road race cars that only race a couple of times a year. The cars were originally built to run on a 1 mile dirt track with 75 gal. fuel with maybe no pit stops. The drivers that drove them have not a bad thing to say about them. They have always run on alky and run 350 type motor
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March 31, 2012 at
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March 31, 2012 at
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They have always run on alky and run 350 type motor.
No way; the offy was the engine of choice in their hey day, and just like with the Sprinters, the Chevy started pushing them out in the early sixties. If you notice, they mention every Chevy that was running at Langhorne in 64 in the video because of the rivalry at that time. AJ won it in a OFFY.
The "Silver Crown" cars of today mostly run a Chevy is true though, and maybe that's what you meant to say, or not. Their certainly not ASCS legal, that's for sure..LOL
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March 31, 2012 at
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Watch the last half of this video.
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March 31, 2012 at
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Anyone who is reading this thread and loves dirt car racing... If you've never been to DuQuoin Magic Mile (dirt) under the lights during the state fair around labor day, you've got to put this one on your bucket list
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Posted By: brian26 on March 31 2012 at 08:56:00 AM
Watch the last half of this video.
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I really enjoyed the video but I couldn't help but notice..........................................................................................................................................................
Dusty, dry slick track.....only 17 cars started the race...the winner started on the front row and led every lap.................
The more things change the more they stay the same...
Loose is when you hit the wall with the rear of the
car, tight is when you hit the wall with the front of
the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall and
torque is how far you move the wall.
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March 31, 2012 at
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Oh wait a minute....I clicked on the video but ended up seeing an 8 minute video of highlights of the 1966 champ car race at Langhorne...thats the video I commented about above
Loose is when you hit the wall with the rear of the
car, tight is when you hit the wall with the front of
the car. Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall and
torque is how far you move the wall.
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March 31, 2012 at
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A big part of the history, prestige, and mystique of the Dirt Champ Cars is that they were once part of the Champ Car points title. To win the Champ car points title they had run both, Indy type cars on the pavement and big sprinters on the dirt. I can remember as a kid & early teen watching A. J. Foyt, Mario Andretti, Al Unser, Sr., Johnny Rutherford, and etc. race the Dirt Champ cars. That's when Indy car drivers still came from grassroots American racing. Just my opinion, but when they made the Indy cars a series all their own and formed the Silver Crown series was the beginning of the end of the glory days of the Indy cars and the Dirt Champ cars. That began he influx of Indy car drives that no longer had to bust their butts in sprints and midgets to get to Indy cars, and were drivers that the majority of the American racing fans had little to no idea who they were because that hadn't watched them work their way up through the ranks on the local tracks. Can you imagine the popularity Indy cars would have today if their stars were guys named Stewart, Gordon, Hewitt, Kinser, Swindell, Newman, Busch, Darland, Jones, Coons, Schatz, Saldana, and etc.?
The last time I saw the Dirt Champ cars was at Knoxville several years ago. It was a great show. When going through the 2012 schedules I noticed DuQuoin is on my birthday this year. Planning on giving myself a birthday present of a trip to DuQuoin.
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March 31, 2012 at
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I am even more impressed that what seems like a young reader, he posted questions about the Silver Crown to gain interest and knowledge.
Kudos too you young man.
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March 31, 2012 at
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Posted By: darnall on March 31 2012 at 11:02:29 AM
I really enjoyed the video but I couldn't help but notice..........................................................................................................................................................
Dusty, dry slick track.....only 17 cars started the race...the winner started on the front row and led every lap.................
The more things change the more they stay the same...
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Well your right about the front row and yes there was some dust,
BUT if you ran an afternoon race today there's no way you would be able to see it, heck I doubt you could see the flag man from the dust!
And does anyone know what's with the oil on the dirt, did the EPA put a stop to that, I think It sounds like a good ideal!
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March 31, 2012 at
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"I am even
more impressed that what seems like a young reader, he posted questions
about the Silver Crown to gain interest and knowledge.
Kudos too you young man." Thanks, too funny: I'm 61! Used to go to dirt track races in Virginia back in the 1960s, we moved north, went to 2 asphalt races, lost interest. Always curious about sprint cars tho. 2 summers ago I was in upstate NY, headed to southern Pa. next day, & a gearhead friend lent me a Circle Track that mentioned Central Penn sprint scene. So I googled it, found they were racing at Clinton County next nite, I went, was amazed! Then at a gas station a racer told me about Williams Grove, couple of months later I flew back from Colorado for National Open, now I'm hooked.... what is it about the smell of burning methanol???? 61 but still immature....
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March 31, 2012 at
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For sure I didn't pick a very competitive race, but remember Langhorne was the most dangerous track on the circuit at that time. Jimmy Bryan, one of my last boyhood hero's after we moved to Phoenix was killed there...http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=1568
"What made Langhorne so tiring was the absence of straightaways. To navigate "the big left turn," drivers had to grip the wheel without rest in a death-grip left-turn that lasted 100 miles. Auto-racing historian Joe Scalzo recalls an additional danger, explaining that "as a cut-rate way of taming the dust storms, management routinely had contractors pump vast reservoirs of used motor oil and crankcase sludge onto the track. Essentially, drivers were putting their cars and lives at risk upon a slick witches" brew of toxic sludge."
"But the races continued. One hundred-mile races for Indianapolis-type racers, also known as championship cars, were the great dirt track tests of man and machine. When Hankinson staged the events at Langhorne, crowds in excess of 40,000 were not uncommon. Many drivers feared the Langhorne track, which continued to exact a heavy toll of injuries and fatalities, but others were more than willing to try their mettle against the unforgiving mile of earth. Popular sprint cars, midgets, motorcycles, modified sportsman, and much later, the NASCAR stock cars, also raced at "The Big Left Turn."
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You youngsters never saw a bright yellow flyer nailed to a power pole on Florin Rd and 99 saying "THE BIG CARS ARE COMING TO THE SACRAMENTO MILE" just the words 'BIG CARS" told the story it would be fall and if you could get a ride to town and you had the five bucks for bleachers you got to see all of them ya all of them it was meca offy's ruled, then chev's, (every one could run a big car now no more high priced race motors). Then it happened a ford four cam ya a camer stuffed into a big car and the three or four that had them owned the join. I watched Foyt, Andretti, Unser on the mile, big 18in steering wheels, Lee was worken on power steering, 10in RR. Then it was over who ever had a cammer won.
Rear motors at Indy ended the similarity of dirt/pavement cars, and road racers from England were not going to spend thier summer on the fair dirt tracks of the US. So the "Big Cars" limp on named and renamed but for a little kid from Sheldon Ca in 1955 I got to climb a tree in turn one and watch the BIG CARS I always got excited when I saw the first flyer nailed to a pole.
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