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February 14, 2012 at
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Just saw on the imca website they have joined forces. How long till knoxville joins in?
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February 15, 2012 at
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We dont need no stinking IMCA........
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February 15, 2012 at
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Worst thing French could do is hook up with those money lovers. They like to get money for everything they allow and make everyone think that it's all about the poor guy.
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February 16, 2012 at
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Last week it was ASCS 305's,this week it's IMCA 305's.They surely won't do something crazy like have the same rules will they!
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February 16, 2012 at
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Posted By: MA305SPRINTS on February 14 2012 at 09:04:54 PM
Just saw on the imca website they have joined forces. How long till knoxville joins in?
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Never at knoxville a good new racesaver motor will cost 15,000 anyway and will need a least 2 a year to run cause they will not last on big 1/2 mile like knoxville.
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February 16, 2012 at
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Posted By: MA305SPRINTS on February 14 2012 at 09:04:54 PM
Just saw on the imca website they have joined forces. How long till knoxville joins in?
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The bad thing about them you can't touch them can't even run valves can't take v covers off if you do they will have to be sealed.
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February 16, 2012 at
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Posted By: zerorules on February 16 2012 at 06:47:08 AM
The bad thing about them you can't touch them can't even run valves can't take v covers off if you do they will have to be sealed.
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Just as I predicted so far A bunch of jumbled mess that opens the money pit and won't keep the cost down. You can say what you want but u felt as soon as ASCS got involved it would only get worse. I hoped this class would take off and stay with the proven program that has been working to get more drivers into the sport. I hope it can all be worked out but to have to spend 15,000 x2 to run Knox then they better be paying well. Again look at that series in Texas that Sprint Series of Texas. Go check out their website. Full fields of cars. Good Luck to all 305 drivers and owners
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February 16, 2012 at
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You do not have to have your motor resealed to pull the valve cover off. The motor only has 4 seals. The timing cover, both heads, and the intake. I can pull a valve cover change the valve springs and not have to replace a seal. I don't think that most understand the imca and racesaver deal very well. The rules for racesaver will not change. We do not have to register with imca but we can of we want to run for their points. All it's doing is opening it up to where a imca track can run racesaver cars. I think it is a good thing.
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February 16, 2012 at
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Posted By: nat48han1 on February 16 2012 at 09:28:32 AM
You do not have to have your motor resealed to pull the valve cover off. The motor only has 4 seals. The timing cover, both heads, and the intake. I can pull a valve cover change the valve springs and not have to replace a seal. I don't think that most understand the imca and racesaver deal very well. The rules for racesaver will not change. We do not have to register with imca but we can of we want to run for their points. All it's doing is opening it up to where a imca track can run racesaver cars. I think it is a good thing.
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Oh good. I didn't follow that earlier thread about reselling a motor just to change springs. I truly believe this 305 deal will be huge if you keep the race saver motors
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February 16, 2012 at
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Posted By: zerorules on February 16 2012 at 06:39:58 AM
Never at knoxville a good new racesaver motor will cost 15,000 anyway and will need a least 2 a year to run cause they will not last on big 1/2 mile like knoxville.
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I think you can run, and only need 1 engine to run Knoxville. You must use forged crank, pistons and rods. I would think each item in $600.00 range each would be ok. With the lower compression and lower rpm the engines will last ok. You also run at Knoxville about 14 races a year which is not alot. I think the big problem with running large tracks with wet sump is that you can pump all your oil up into valve cover area and run out of oil in crankcase. You will need to use a good pan, windage trays, baffles. On shorter tracks you are on and off throtle and do not have near the problem. You do not need to spend $15,000 for a engine, buy good used injection, mag. I do not think you should use used crank, rods, pistons unless you know for sure quality of parts. I think you could build engine for $7,000 to $8000.00 for engine. Also do not have some clod hopper build engine for you.
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February 16, 2012 at
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Posted By: Desflur on February 16 2012 at 10:23:51 AM
Oh good. I didn't follow that earlier thread about reselling a motor just to change springs. I truly believe this 305 deal will be huge if you keep the race saver motors
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What I meant was it has to be teched by a racesaver tech person. You can't change anything without haveing it re teched. All you can change is oil. You can't buy parts & build one and race it without having it teched no one in iowa is certafied to seal one.
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February 16, 2012 at
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Zerorules, you are correct in a way. When you build a racesaver motor a tech man has to seal it. Once it is sealed as long as you do not break a seal you can change whatever you need without a tech man looking at it. Example valve springs. You can change valve springs or adjust them without breaking one of the 4 seals. If you have to break a seal sure they have to have it resealed by a certified tech man. Every group or track that runs racesaver has to have someone that can tech/ seal a motor. If you have a racesaver class close to you then they have someone that can. If you do not have a racesaver group or track near you, hopefully soon you will. That is what the imca deal is abou, to get more cars, tracks, groups out there.
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February 19, 2012 at
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Posted By: MA305SPRINTS on February 14 2012 at 09:04:54 PM
Just saw on the imca website they have joined forces. How long till knoxville joins in?
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French Grimes quotes:
“IMCA Sprint Cars are very strong in the Midwest and we need a presence
there,” Grimes said. “Our goal is to get RaceSaver to the point where it is the
standard Sprint Car group in the country.”“I’m trying to be like Johnny Appleseed. I want to see RaceSaver across the
country as a good Sprint Car class,” he continued. “I want it to propagate and
continue to be a class that blue collar guys have a chance to race in. They can
come and race with us, bring the whole family and have fun, and even if they
don’t win, they’ll be treated with respect.
Guess this means if a Racesaver race is scantioned and you have a car that meets the rules package for Racesaver and you pay your IMCA due you can travel all over the US and race any time you want anywhere you want. So SST just went from racing 24 cars a show to unlimited amount of cars. That is going to be great for spectators because now they can come out and watch 30-50 cars a night race instead of the chosen few. This is going to be great for racers and for spectators alike. Looking forward to going to watch some of these shows and seeing great competitive racing.
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Posted By: Dodirt on February 19 2012 at 08:57:45 PM
French Grimes quotes:
“IMCA Sprint Cars are very strong in the Midwest and we need a presence
there,” Grimes said. “Our goal is to get RaceSaver to the point where it is the
standard Sprint Car group in the country.”“I’m trying to be like Johnny Appleseed. I want to see RaceSaver across the
country as a good Sprint Car class,” he continued. “I want it to propagate and
continue to be a class that blue collar guys have a chance to race in. They can
come and race with us, bring the whole family and have fun, and even if they
don’t win, they’ll be treated with respect.
Guess this means if a Racesaver race is scantioned and you have a car that meets the rules package for Racesaver and you pay your IMCA due you can travel all over the US and race any time you want anywhere you want. So SST just went from racing 24 cars a show to unlimited amount of cars. That is going to be great for spectators because now they can come out and watch 30-50 cars a night race instead of the chosen few. This is going to be great for racers and for spectators alike. Looking forward to going to watch some of these shows and seeing great competitive racing.
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Exactly, I hope this vision continues to grow in the right direction. With all the higher cost associated with racing this class will hopefully grow and we can all enjoy excellent shows. It's great to see DRIVERS win races with their talent and not cubic dollars win the race for the drivers. Keep em sealed and cost contained and watch em sling the dirt with full fields of cars. Wish only the best for the 305s
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February 20, 2012 at
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Posted By: zerorules on February 16 2012 at 06:47:08 AM
The bad thing about them you can't touch them can't even run valves can't take v covers off if you do they will have to be sealed.
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not true, you can valve springs if you want, but you'll get them checked after the race. timing coer, heads are sealed.
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February 20, 2012 at
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Posted By: Dodirt on February 19 2012 at 08:57:45 PM
French Grimes quotes:
“IMCA Sprint Cars are very strong in the Midwest and we need a presence
there,” Grimes said. “Our goal is to get RaceSaver to the point where it is the
standard Sprint Car group in the country.”“I’m trying to be like Johnny Appleseed. I want to see RaceSaver across the
country as a good Sprint Car class,” he continued. “I want it to propagate and
continue to be a class that blue collar guys have a chance to race in. They can
come and race with us, bring the whole family and have fun, and even if they
don’t win, they’ll be treated with respect.
Guess this means if a Racesaver race is scantioned and you have a car that meets the rules package for Racesaver and you pay your IMCA due you can travel all over the US and race any time you want anywhere you want. So SST just went from racing 24 cars a show to unlimited amount of cars. That is going to be great for spectators because now they can come out and watch 30-50 cars a night race instead of the chosen few. This is going to be great for racers and for spectators alike. Looking forward to going to watch some of these shows and seeing great competitive racing.
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Dodirt, the promoters determine the car count at SST sanctioned races. We bring however many cars they request.
Not trying to start anything, just hoping to clarify.
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Posted By: sst91 on February 20 2012 at 11:54:13 AM
Dodirt, the promoters determine the car count at SST sanctioned races. We bring however many cars they request.
Not trying to start anything, just hoping to clarify.
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Then it shouldnt even have anything to do with IMCA then, because it is suppose to be open to all that want to race, so how does that work and who gets to race when to get IMCA points and such. Dont understand. I thought being IMCA meant anyone could race and why on earth would any promotor that owns a racetrack today say you can only bring a certain amount of cars, know wonder they are going out of business in Texas and Sprint car racing is in trouble. If a promotor doesnt want 50 cars to show he needs to close his track and suffer.
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Posted By: Dodirt on February 20 2012 at 06:28:58 PM
Then it shouldnt even have anything to do with IMCA then, because it is suppose to be open to all that want to race, so how does that work and who gets to race when to get IMCA points and such. Dont understand. I thought being IMCA meant anyone could race and why on earth would any promotor that owns a racetrack today say you can only bring a certain amount of cars, know wonder they are going out of business in Texas and Sprint car racing is in trouble. If a promotor doesnt want 50 cars to show he needs to close his track and suffer.
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Any of the IMCA sanctioned tracks in the area that will also run the IMCA/Racesaver deal will report results to IMCA, so in the North Texas area I don't believe it'll be just SST gathering all the points for the IMCA deal. I could be wrong though. I'd imagine KSP is going to report results, possibly RPM and Cowtown.
Also, the SST will remain invite only.
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Posted By: racrguy on February 20 2012 at 07:52:34 PM
Any of the IMCA sanctioned tracks in the area that will also run the IMCA/Racesaver deal will report results to IMCA, so in the North Texas area I don't believe it'll be just SST gathering all the points for the IMCA deal. I could be wrong though. I'd imagine KSP is going to report results, possibly RPM and Cowtown.
Also, the SST will remain invite only.
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All I keep reading about is French Grimes and SST is the greatest thing for Sprint car racing and then to find out its only an Invite IMCA Series, what a deal, invite special people, let them run against guys that are not as competive and grant them IMCA points towards a National Championship points race, what a bunch of crap and IMCA approved this. Wake up Brett Root somebody, he has fell off his rocker. Why would a Promotor want a invite only series if you can have guys from all over the nation to compete at your track. Now I see why they only pay $200 to win feature.
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Posted By: Dodirt on February 20 2012 at 08:03:27 PM
All I keep reading about is French Grimes and SST is the greatest thing for Sprint car racing and then to find out its only an Invite IMCA Series, what a deal, invite special people, let them run against guys that are not as competive and grant them IMCA points towards a National Championship points race, what a bunch of crap and IMCA approved this. Wake up Brett Root somebody, he has fell off his rocker. Why would a Promotor want a invite only series if you can have guys from all over the nation to compete at your track. Now I see why they only pay $200 to win feature.
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/facepalm. Only the SST is invite only, NOT the IMCA/Racesaver deal. Aside from the SST there are 3 tracks in the N Texas area that run RaceSaver rules. Cowtown, RPM, and KSP. AFAIK all of those are IMCA sanctioned, so to say that 1) only SST will get national IMCA points and 2) that SST only pays $200 to win shows a great bit of ignorance on your part. Next time, I'd suggest asking for more information/clarification before you break out your jump to conclusions mat. Just sayin'
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