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The best thing that could happen to the 305 Sprint car racers is if the ASCS started an ASCS 305 series. The rules that they would come up with could then be used for any 305 series / tracks anywhere. This is the only way I think that the 305 class can survive long term. JMO

Depends. ASCS has not exactly held the cost down on a competitive 360 engine. They could wind up making 305s extinct. The other question is why would they want to give their 360 racers a much cheaper alternative? They would be better off making 360 racing cheaper again.

There is already a series that does just that it is called racesaver and if everyone would just stick to those rules and enforce them the way racesaver does by sealing the engine in front of a qualified tech and continue teching at the track then the 305 class would continue to grow. Now if ASCS wants to take over 305 sprint racing I hope they adopt the same rules and teching procedure as Racesaver, unfortunately that does not seem to be the case, from what I understand they want to make it so you have to buy the heads through brodix bypassing french grimes, of course the price will go up, ASCS would have to get there cut, they would make it to where motors would not have to be sealed, instead they would make it to where motors would be teched at the racetrack and a 2,000 dollar teardown protest, bypassing the racesaver tech rule where every motor has to be sealed in front of a qualified tech, this alone would completely kill 305 racing in the long run, I can tell you from experience as a Racesaver tech for 4 years, that even with this rule of sealing a motor in front of a tech official the guys with thick wallets having a motor built by professional engine builders, were caught cheating about 90 percent of the time more often than guys building their own engines, light cranks, light valves, wrong stroke and on and on are all things that I caught during engine sealing procedure. Now imagine what those guys would build if there engines were not subjected to a full sealing tech procedure. French Grimes did an excellent job of coming up with the Racesaver engine rules, there are so many, governors built into those rules that it is 100 percent true, if an engine is built to the rules, money will not get you an advantage, that is exactly what the guys with thick wallets hate, now if Ascs adopts Racesaver tech rules I am all for it, If not the poor boys will park them first, The rich boys will park them last

I agree with Dryslick Willie!

The American Sprint Car Series has completely lost control of engine costs and they currently lack the foresight needed to do something about it.

The 305's are already out of control. New classes with less cubes only prolong the inevitable. Reducing CC's isn't enough. It's not creative, it's not comprehensive, it's not "out of the box", and ultimately, it's not going to work.

It took the 360's ten years to go from entry level to elite. The 305's will do the same in five!

I like the idea of "universal"; the ASCS has accomplished that, but it's no longer enough. Be careful what you with for!

Here are some price examples, courtesy of the Classifieds Page. Did you know that the most expensive engines listed are ASCS 360's; not 410's? Check em out!

http://www.hoseheadsclassifieds.com/ClassifiedDetail~ClassifiedKey~62172.htm

http://www.hoseheadsclassifieds.com/ClassifiedDetail~ClassifiedKey~62030.htm

http://www.hoseheadsclassifieds.com/ClassifiedDetail~ClassifiedKey~62030.htm

Note: None of these extravagant examples are "fresh". Wow!

I believe ASCS is about to announce a 305 series any day now.

I bought a fresh Racesaver for $4800.00 " fresh as in new heads, pistons, cam, well all but inj, and block" maybe its not the latest and greatest thing out there but with the rules that are enforced it runs just about as good as the next.

305's should have never gotten away from GM production heads,and the finger can be pointed at some tracks that should have known better,look what's happened now,different heads everywhere that can't run with each other.

ASCS has not done much to lower the price of racing. Like $6000.00 heads, a $1000.00 more to0 lighten blocks. Like titanium valves and chassis parts. You could have eliminated all of these by not allowing them. ASCS has done very little to keep price down.

Never hit stationary objects!

The ascs where approched by to men that have money. One who is a engine builder and has been question about his engine at a racesaver event.

If you run the ascs 305 races your engine will require to be reteched by the racesaver group you try to run with after the the ascs race.

These are facts

NOTE: If your from a racesave group and you run this 305 race in NM your engine will have to be reteched when you go back to your group. This is how the racesaver groups work.

ANOTHER NOTE: I ran a track that wasnt a racesaver sanctioned track but borrowed there rules but not there tech. When the track dropped our 305 class almost every set of heads that where begin sold or getting re certified failed.

If your racesave engine is sealed then why would it not be legal after you race in NM.?

I am 100% thrilled that SNMS is having this race again this year! Yes we will be there again this year. and no we dont have a racesaver engine, Thanks SNMS for letting all 305 cars from all the different associations to come race at your track!

You best illustrate the absurd by being absurd! Works every time. The 305 controversy continues !!!

I am ready for a 265 series. This stroker 305 stuff is just getting completely out of hand.

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

Who builds Racesaver engines ?