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November 20, 2011 at
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Is ASCS using a different set of rules than what is on the website? If not, I don't see how Shane Stewart is the National champ. According to the rules, anyone using their 3rd provisional (Shane Stewart) at a National race is only supposed to be awarded 20th place points at best. So, was this not a National race? Were the other 2 provisionals taken not counted? Again, according to the rules available to the public, Herrera would have received 122 points for a 6th place finish to Stewart's maximum allowable of 90 - a 32 point difference which would make Herrera the champ by 11 points. It appears Stewart knew this which is why he decided to race the B instead of starting the C and pulling off, taken the available provisional, and saving his equipment for the A. Instead, he risked crashing again and completely losing any chance at the title by running the complete B main. If he had transferred through the B he would then be eligible for full points for whatever position he attained. Really questionable and it doesn't add up. One of the biggest complaints on ASCS is their lack of consistency - from the National tour to the Regions. This is an example - the rules on the website, which is what people use, are obviously not the same rules that are being applied at the races.
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November 20, 2011 at
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Can't say why the rule book doesn't state this but I will assume everyone on the National tour understands the provisional policy and that they award additional provisionals at the mid-season. I don't think there is any conspiracy theory here.
A” Feature (30 Laps): 1. 15-Donny Schatz, 2. 41-Jason Johnson, 3. 1-Sammy Swindell, 4. 1m-Danny Lasoski, 5. 35a-Brad Sweet, 6. 45x-Johnny Herrera, 7. 77F-Kyle Larson, 8. 15h-Sam Hafertepe, Jr., 9. 21-Brian Brown, 10. 0-Zach Chappell, 11. 39c-Paul McMahan, 12. 87-Aaron Reutzel, 13. 28-Jeff Swindell, 14. 57-Shane Stewart, 15. 57s-Joey Saldana, 16. 11-Roger Crockett, 17. 99-Brady Bacon, 18. 9-Gary Wright, 19. 88-Tim Crawley, 20. 18-Tony Bruce, Jr., 21. 44w-Austen Wheatley, 22. 2L-Logan Forler, 23. 79-Calvin Landis, 24. 1x-J.T. Imperial, 25. 2d-Bryan Dobesh.
Lap Leaders: Sammy Swindell 1-9, Donny Schatz 10-23, Swindell 24-25, Schatz 26-30.
Note: Shane Stewart and Gary Wright both utilized mid-season bonus full-point provisionals to start the main event. Joey Saldana used a promoter’s option to start the main event.
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November 20, 2011 at
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He will always be a champ in my book.
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November 20, 2011 at
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Posted By: flivver on November 20 2011 at 03:01:49 PM
Is ASCS using a different set of rules than what is on the website? If not, I don't see how Shane Stewart is the National champ. According to the rules, anyone using their 3rd provisional (Shane Stewart) at a National race is only supposed to be awarded 20th place points at best. So, was this not a National race? Were the other 2 provisionals taken not counted? Again, according to the rules available to the public, Herrera would have received 122 points for a 6th place finish to Stewart's maximum allowable of 90 - a 32 point difference which would make Herrera the champ by 11 points. It appears Stewart knew this which is why he decided to race the B instead of starting the C and pulling off, taken the available provisional, and saving his equipment for the A. Instead, he risked crashing again and completely losing any chance at the title by running the complete B main. If he had transferred through the B he would then be eligible for full points for whatever position he attained. Really questionable and it doesn't add up. One of the biggest complaints on ASCS is their lack of consistency - from the National tour to the Regions. This is an example - the rules on the website, which is what people use, are obviously not the same rules that are being applied at the races.
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Let Lonnie Wheatley explain it to you
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November 20, 2011 at
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I have a great idea, do away with all and any provisionals, Either race into the main event or load it up. No confussion or arguments. Other opinions?
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November 20, 2011 at
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For the record- Stewart used a full point provisional at Hanford, a PARTIAL point provisional at Eagle Raceway, and then after Placerville, CA all drivers were awarded another full point provisional, which they utilized last night.
After destroying the car Thursday, they ran the races to shake down their equipment, as they were preparing to make a run in the feature for the championship, which they won.
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November 20, 2011 at
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Don't mind a limited amount of provisionals. However, they should all pay the same amount of points. Having "full point" provisionals and "half point" provisionals does not make sense. They should all be "half point" or "full point". That would eliminate the current debate.
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November 20, 2011 at
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Posted By: n2sprints on November 20 2011 at 03:40:18 PM
Let Lonnie Wheatley explain it to you
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No explanation needed. My point was proven with the responses. Full point provisionals, partial point provisionals, BS provisionals. They have no place in motorsports. If you aren't fast enough or have problems and can't make the feature, that's just the way it is. All these provisionals, chases, and countdowns suck. How about posting the latest and greatest rule set on your website that everyone goes to for reference? Novel idea. Reminiscent of the whole owner's points fiasco this year. Idiotic. Current rules or not, past time for a revision!
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November 20, 2011 at
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Well, Johnny Herrera used up his provisionals early in the season, so its a mute point. Here's a better fact, make all shows full points shows. I challenge you to go back and look into the partial point shows and figure out the points if those were full points IE- Knoxville, Short Track Nationals, and the LoneStar Nationals.
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November 20, 2011 at
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Posted By: flivver on November 20 2011 at 05:17:01 PM
No explanation needed. My point was proven with the responses. Full point provisionals, partial point provisionals, BS provisionals. They have no place in motorsports. If you aren't fast enough or have problems and can't make the feature, that's just the way it is. All these provisionals, chases, and countdowns suck. How about posting the latest and greatest rule set on your website that everyone goes to for reference? Novel idea. Reminiscent of the whole owner's points fiasco this year. Idiotic. Current rules or not, past time for a revision!
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If you want to do away with the provisionals, would you accept doing away with the show up points for Knoxville and the STN's as well?
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November 21, 2011 at
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Why is it that anyone is given a chance to make it into a show if they were not fast enough in the first place? Isn't that what racing is supposed to be about? Do away with Provisionals all together and just race. That way when you win the championship it is legitimate.
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November 21, 2011 at
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Posted By: flivver on November 20 2011 at 05:17:01 PM
No explanation needed. My point was proven with the responses. Full point provisionals, partial point provisionals, BS provisionals. They have no place in motorsports. If you aren't fast enough or have problems and can't make the feature, that's just the way it is. All these provisionals, chases, and countdowns suck. How about posting the latest and greatest rule set on your website that everyone goes to for reference? Novel idea. Reminiscent of the whole owner's points fiasco this year. Idiotic. Current rules or not, past time for a revision!
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I agree there should not be a playoff system in racing. Whoever is consistent should win the championship.
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November 21, 2011 at
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Posted By: Sprinter 79 on November 21 2011 at 12:30:17 PM
Why is it that anyone is given a chance to make it into a show if they were not fast enough in the first place? Isn't that what racing is supposed to be about? Do away with Provisionals all together and just race. That way when you win the championship it is legitimate.
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Kinda like not making the A- from your heat in a WoO race and coming out of a B- just to start ahead of the guys who actually did race their way in???
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November 21, 2011 at
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Posted By: cheroger on November 20 2011 at 04:15:49 PM
I have a great idea, do away with all and any provisionals, Either race into the main event or load it up. No confussion or arguments. Other opinions?
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I agree 100%. Race your way in or go home............like it used to be before they got to be afraid of hurting some "hotshoes" feelings.
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