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Ok this is just my opinion but tonight there was a perfect example of why I dont like Qualfing and why I think this format puts to much on how you qualify.

First let me say I am a big KKR fan so this is NOT about bashing Darrah.

He was quick time and got 200 points but didnt pass a car in his heat (I know it was locked down) and than starts on the pole in the B and finishes 7th.  He was rewarded the same as if he had won the feature with the 200 points when obviously he wasnt even close to one of the fastest "RACERS".  I just dont like rewarding someone that can have the fastest engine and run a lap without anyone else on the track.  In my opinion, that is just not racing.  It just hurts the cars that dont draw well or have the money for the really big HP numbers.  Look at Stewart from last night, middle to back third in qualifing but passed the most cars of anyone in the B and A.

Thanks for your time, let the cursing begin.

It's like not he's in the A Main on Sat. The point system is great as it is. It might be nice to reward a bonus for the hard charger each night of like 5 points, but other than that, I wouldn't change a thing.

Good point that he didnt make the A but I was speaking to the fact that getting fast time doesnt prove anything.  So in my arguement I just dont think it should count for so much.  That all being said its a great event and I wish I was there and not working!

The track wasn't locked down for heats. There was plenty of passing... and if you were faster and better you passed. Track was multi-groove all night long. The points format isn't perfect because it gives guys like Darrah who can run 1 fast lap on a track with noone else around them an advantage. After all, he'll be marred in the back of the B with little to no chance after showing he can't pass anyone. It is perfect because it makes every single time you hit the track matter. Darrah is a perfect example of why the entire format works. He is fast for two laps, then can't pass anyone in his heat and falls back in a loaded B main.... the result is his Nationals are basically over. Format and points worked to perfection again. If all you can do is time...you won't win. If you can't time and all you can do is start out front in a heat and hold on for a win...you also won't win. If you can time, run an aggressive 10 lap sprint and pass some fast cars, and then run a solid 25 lap feature then you have earned a shot at $150k. It's perfection. The end result is be good or great every time you hit the track or lose. The format is perfect!!!

Nice post Jamie.

darrah had a left tire go down in the B ran over something

Not sure on this, straddling the fence here. Two more words with that argument, Jessica Zemken. I do think there were a lot of cars (both nights) that were in the A that really didn't belong there which is one of the reasons some of the better drivers went from the rear of the A up to the front, they simply passed the slower cars that started up front, took off and could not be caught in their heats. I mean look at last nights B, tons of good cars. Kevin wins the A on Saturday against the best Knoxville field all year (save the Outlaw show) and finishes 11th in the B. He should dominate tonite and finish about the same place or higher on Saturday.

Three cars that went out to qualify in the 30's all made the top 10 on Wed so it can be done, if it ain't broke don't fix it and this system over the years generally produces the top dogs in the top 10 come Saturday, always has, always will, enjoy.....

The format isn't perfect but it works out OK. It does suck that it is so heavy on TT's which we know the draw plays a large part in. It allows people like A. McCarl(and his dad) to make it in occasionally based on nothing but a good TT, There's a few like that every year. Even Sweet- didn't do much other than TT well and have tremendous luck with several drivers crashing out in his heat race. Did he pass anyone at full speed all night other than on the starts? You do have to at least hold your own or get very lucky even with a good TT to make it in though. They should get passing points in addition to race finish points. IMO. How about doing 1 lap TT's so the track doesn't slow down as much from start to finish?

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BS

You need more than a good TT to make it into the Sat A main.

It takes roughly 450 points to get into the Sat A main, last I checked fast time only got 200.

Everyone that makes it into the final race on Sat night earns it. This is one of the very few races of the year that can make that claim.

Got to pick on the McCarl's when you could have picked on dozens and dozens and dozens of other drivers. Have to get that rip on the McCarls, some of the nicest people around and people that promote sprint car racing more than most out there---by a landslide. What a prik! Holdenberries needs to change names with dorkboy. Sorry dkdorkboy. I have the same positive opinion about McCarl and son as I do 99% of the drivers out there, in any form of racing. Hatred comes from jealousy. Give it a break.

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The Nationals format is fantastic!!! Look at Schatz for example...198 pts for qual (2nd quick night 1) Starts 8th in his heat and finishes 1st - add 100 pts(2nd heat...plenty of passing). Blows up on lap 4 of the feature running top 5, finishes 24th and earns 154 pts in the featurefor a total of 452. Does Schatz deserve to be in the A on Saturday? ABSOLUTELY! Darrah = Quick time - 200 pts. Starts 8th finishes 8th in his heat (couldn't get it done in the heat = 79 pts. Does not take advantage of a fast car in the B and ends up with 138 pts for his feature. Total pts = 417 - 31st in points after both nights. Quick time was deserved, but the best drivers work their way up. The format ensures that you must be at the top of your game for the night to make Saturday night's A. A little luck either way can make or break your weekend (as it can on any race night). Again, Schatz for example...no blown motor and we are most likely looking at Schatz as top point man. But with the format, his blown motor does not keep him out of a chance. Anyone can put together a great weekend if they make the most of each opportunity. Good Luck Mark Dobmeier!!!

Yeah like I said you need a little luck too, like being in a weak heat or having some guys in front of you crash out. A good TT and make it to the A and you're in like flint. Any other race TT's just determine the lineup and the A -main is what counts, I just think that the A main results should count more than TT's. The A-Main everyone is out there at the same time on the same track and passing cars should count for more. JMO

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IMO the gap in TT's should be 1 point, not 2 points. With 50 cars, thats' a 100 point difference. There's no way to make that up no matter how many you pass since there's only a max of 24 cars you're racing against the rest of the time.

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Yeah I picked on the Mccarls only because looking at the lineup those are the 2 that made it in primarily based on their TT. Mccarl may be the nicest guy around but on the track he's a dick with his head up his azz. That's why he gets bood' everywhere and why he gets into more fights than anyone. Some drivers achieve greatness by being good and passing cars cleanly. Others acheive it by jumping starts and running the other guy off the track. T-Mac is the latter.

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and your a cocksucking asshole, which is worse?

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If you make the feature worth more than TT's guys will try to sandbag and it will kill the heat race invert.

If you want to make it so guys have to pass more cars to transfer to the A they simply need to go back to FULLY inverted heat races.

The system was perfect, now it is close to perfect.

That is the point.

It guarantees no sandbagging. Which is what makes the inverted heat races worth watching.

Usually "fast" means strung out single file around the cushion. It's gotta slick off a little and slow down to have multiple grooves which it was last night. Great racing in the feature after they brought out the trucks to move the cushion up higher. Heats and B-main weren't bad either. A+ to the track crew.

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Oooh now a name calling internet tough guy, an English major nonetheless. I'm really fucking scared. Are you gonna crawl through the computer screen and kick my 6-2 200 lb ass? Get a fucking life! We were having a discussion about the format until you came along.

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