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May 14, 2011 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on May 14 2011 at 12:44:26 PM
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And how many do you think will run out of gas?... The earlier post was correct in my opinion. The one about it all being the same these days, homogenised if you will.
If Pennsylvania wants to be, or thinks it is the top state in sprint car racing they had better take some of those barn doors off first... Whats sad to me is some of these post's could be on a NASCAR forum!
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
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Posted By: singlefile on May 14 2011 at 11:14:56 AM
By that logic, why don't extra the laps at a given track help the regulars elsewhere win so often (or ever) when the Outlaws come to town? Pretty much all the top Outlaws drivers/teams have been coming to the Grove for at least 10 years. So the best racers in the world, with bottomless NASCAR money behind them, can't adjust to a place to a they have run 50 times before or 100 times before?
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The wing and tire rule changes in recent years (I think) have given the Posse an unprecendented advantage (at the Grove) because they have had alot of laps to get the right set up. This has led to unprecedented success. Outside of the Grove, it's not happening for them (this is fact, at neutral tracks, these teams are top 10 threats for sure, but just don't win w/ regularity). This doesn't take anything away from this 10 out of 11 acheivement. Just puts it in perspective.
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May 14, 2011 at
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Posted By: Big Slim on May 14 2011 at 11:01:49 AM
BIGFISH is right, he's just fishing and fishing is great. There's a keyboard commando on every forum, and he's the biggest on here. I wonder if he's related to that Randy jerk from Missouri. Too bad most of the dimwits on here don't realize what these morons do for their own amusement.
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I love Cubes. I look forward to his posts, I actually think it's good for the board, may be in the minority there, but if you didn't have a scheister to respond to and everyone agreed w/ everyone all the time, it'd be kind of boring.
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May 14, 2011 at
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Hey cubic.. In the modern era I've watched one of my home track (Manzy) boy's win a Indy car race, and sit on the pole for the 500 driving for Foyt. I saw another one become the youngest qualifiers for the 500 (at that time) and finish 9th... I don't remember any of your modified sprint Posse boy's from the Grove doing anything close to that.
I've found a likely looking spot, and I've got the right bait.. Now lets see what's biting LOL
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
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May 14, 2011 at
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Posted By: BIGFISH on May 14 2011 at 01:57:22 PM
Hey cubic.. In the modern era I've watched one of my home track (Manzy) boy's win a Indy car race, and sit on the pole for the 500 driving for Foyt. I saw another one become the youngest qualifiers for the 500 (at that time) and finish 9th... I don't remember any of your modified sprint Posse boy's from the Grove doing anything close to that.
I've found a likely looking spot, and I've got the right bait.. Now lets see what's biting LOL
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Our boys can't afford to buy indy car rides. Too busy racing.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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May 14, 2011 at
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SPRING SHOOTOUT CONTINUES TONIGHT
MECHANICSBURG, PA--The Pennsylvania Posse, led by Daryn Pittman and Brian Leppo, delivered a one-two punch to the World of Outlaws in the first round of the Spring Shootout on Friday night at Williams Grove Speedway, but the Outlaws will be out to redeem themselves tonight with even more money on the line.
The 30-lap feature will pay $12,000 to win and it will be followed by the race for the Morgan Cup, a 12-lap match race which will carry an $11,000 purse.
The Morgan Cup field will be comprised of the top five World of Outlaws finishers and the top five Williams Grove regulars from last year's National Open. The eligible drivers include WoO champion Jason Meyers, Jason Sides, Paul McMahan, Donny Schatz and Kraig Kinser. The Posse will be represented by Lance Dewease, Stevie Smith, Brian Montieth, Pittman and Greg Hodnett.
The winning team will take possession of the sterling silver cup for one year and it will be displayed in either the World of Outlaws North Carolina headquarters or the Williams Grove Speedway office.
The Outlaws brought a strong contingent to the Grove on Friday, which included in addition to Meyers, Sides, McMahan, Schatz and K. Kinser, names such as 20-time champion Steve Kinser, Sammy Swindell, Joey Saldana, Lucas Wolfe, Cody Darrah, Craig Dollansky, Chad Kemenah, Paul McMahan, Ben Gregg, Bill Rose and Kerry Madsen.
Tonight's program will include time trials beginning at 7:30 followed by qualifying heats, a B-main, a dash, a 30-lap feature and the 12-lap match race for the Morgan Cup.
There will also be a fireworks display.
Following tonight's event the Outlaws will return to Williams Grove for the Summer Nationals on July 22-23.
http://www.williamsgrove.com/11news5-14-11.htm
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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May 14, 2011 at
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Posted By: cubicdollars on May 14 2011 at 02:02:59 PM
Our boys can't afford to buy indy car rides. Too busy racing.
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Billy boat and JJ Yeley who fit those descriptions bought their rides? Now that's just plain old ignorant, but the best you've got I guess.
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
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Posted By: BIGFISH on May 14 2011 at 02:09:46 PM
Billy boat and JJ Yeley who fit those descriptions bought their rides? Now that's just plain old ignorant, but the best you've got I guess.
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Indy car racing is mostly foreigners. Referring to Arizona, I figured you must have been talking about Mexicans buying rides.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com
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Posted By: cubicdollars on May 14 2011 at 02:27:14 PM
Indy car racing is mostly foreigners. Referring to Arizona, I figured you must have been talking about Mexicans buying rides.
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Referring to Arizona, I figured you must have been talking about Mexicans buying rides. AGAIN....."Now that's just plain old ignorant, but the best you've got I guess."
.. I hate it when the only fish that are biting are Carp.
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
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May 14, 2011 at
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Posse should win. They run the Grove every week and are dialed in. The best bunch of locals anywhere including great equipment.
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May 14, 2011 at
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"World of Also-Rans" had:
3 of top 5, 6 of top 10, 9 of top 15, and 11 of top 20; Posse really "dominated" didn't they!?!
LMAO!
Where was all this Posse talk at the previous WoO events involving Posse drivers??? Ahhh yes, same place it will be after the WoO leave The Grove: nonexistent.
Someone needs to remind Cubic there are races actually held outside Williams Grove.
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May 14, 2011 at
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Posted By: Speedbump on May 14 2011 at 11:42:28 AM
The way I look at it is that Opperman, Wolfgang, Weld, Allen, etc aren't Posse, they just moved to the state to cherry pick the locals.
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Of all the lies and nonsense that get told in these Posse vs. the World threads, this one is right up there. The lack of racing history some of the people bring into these threads is staggering at times. Like everything else in life, money attracts the best workers. Jack Gunn made central PA the place to be in the 1970s by paying the best purses. Those drivers you listed would have dominated any place they chose to race. They chose to race in PA because the money was better than anywhere else. Former racer Van May even said that himself when he used to post on this board.
By your logic, drivers show up at the Knoxville Nationals at the King's Royals because it is easy pickings and not because those races pay $150,000 or $50,000 to win.
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Posted By: singlefile on May 14 2011 at 06:07:23 PM
Of all the lies and nonsense that get told in these Posse vs. the World threads, this one is right up there. The lack of racing history some of the people bring into these threads is staggering at times. Like everything else in life, money attracts the best workers. Jack Gunn made central PA the place to be in the 1970s by paying the best purses. Those drivers you listed would have dominated any place they chose to race. They chose to race in PA because the money was better than anywhere else. Former racer Van May even said that himself when he used to post on this board.
By your logic, drivers show up at the Knoxville Nationals at the King's Royals because it is easy pickings and not because those races pay $150,000 or $50,000 to win.
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Isn't part of the definition of "cherry picking" going where the money is easiest to make?
So what did PA have over the midwest to entice these outsiders? (that apparently they don't have anymore looking at the weekly results) More money, more races or easier competition? True that the drivers I listed are all world class shoe's, but I bet their winning percentage during their Quaker state years was better than any other time in their careers.
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May 14, 2011 at
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Posted By: Speedbump on May 14 2011 at 06:56:25 PM
Isn't part of the definition of "cherry picking" going where the money is easiest to make?
So what did PA have over the midwest to entice these outsiders? (that apparently they don't have anymore looking at the weekly results) More money, more races or easier competition? True that the drivers I listed are all world class shoe's, but I bet their winning percentage during their Quaker state years was better than any other time in their careers.
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Again, by that logic, Donny Schatz only shows up at the Knoxville Nationals because it is such easy pickings to make $150,000 that weekend. Anywhere in life, the best talent in any profession goes where the money is greatest. You really think that the drivers listed would not dominate anywhere they raced in the 1970s, before there even was such a thing as the World Of Outlaws.?
Your argument sorta falls apart when the racers themselves like Van May, Bobby Allen and Steve Smith have stated publicly many times that PA was the place to race when the headed north because it had the best competition and paid the most. It comes down to, "Who to believe -- random poster on message board grinding an axe or the drivers that lived the life?"
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Posted By: singlefile on May 14 2011 at 07:30:50 PM
Again, by that logic, Donny Schatz only shows up at the Knoxville Nationals because it is such easy pickings to make $150,000 that weekend. Anywhere in life, the best talent in any profession goes where the money is greatest. You really think that the drivers listed would not dominate anywhere they raced in the 1970s, before there even was such a thing as the World Of Outlaws.?
Your argument sorta falls apart when the racers themselves like Van May, Bobby Allen and Steve Smith have stated publicly many times that PA was the place to race when the headed north because it had the best competition and paid the most. It comes down to, "Who to believe -- random poster on message board grinding an axe or the drivers that lived the life?"
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Again, I agree that the drivers I listed where among the best, I am just saying their win/loss record was better during their time running weekly PA shows than it was running in the midwest or elsewhere. It should be a pretty easy thing to prove or disprove by using Ekert's database. Let me know if I am wrong or not.
I fully believe that a person trying to make a living as a racer does not seek out the best competition....they seek out the best possible odds at making the most money. That means the 70's climate of lots of racing, decent paychecks and easy competition drew many outsiders to PA (such as Allen, Weld, Op) to make a lot of money. Some savy promoter created this whole "PA Posse" idea and conviently included the best of the outsiders in the group. Guess what? It worked to fill the grandstands and provide decent paychecks for the top drivers. But to call someone who began racing somewhere else and came to PA merely to pad their bank account "Posse" is misleading at best.
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"But to call someone who began racing somewhere else and came to PA merely to pad their bank account "Posse" is misleading at best."
Trust me, or ask anyone in Oklahoma, Daryl Pittman ain't Posse.
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
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Posted By: BIGFISH on May 14 2011 at 09:30:20 PM
"But to call someone who began racing somewhere else and came to PA merely to pad their bank account "Posse" is misleading at best."
Trust me, or ask anyone in Oklahoma, Daryl Pittman ain't Posse.
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How about you just ask him or his team? I know what the answer will be.
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looks like it was an Okie Sweep of PA this weekend.
The greatest knowledge is to know that you know nothing
at all.
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Posted By: Dirthawk on May 14 2011 at 09:49:47 PM
How about you just ask him or his team? I know what the answer will be.
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Kind of like the song huh?
Don't you know that Im the type of man
Who is always on the roam?
Wherever I lay my hat that's my home
Wherever I lay my hat that's my home
Yeah That's my home - I don't like it that way.
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
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For I don't know maybe the 3rd time this week, I will post the same information and for the 3rd time this week...well I'll let you figure that part out.
Simply put, Posse refers to the PA locals. The Knoxville and Ohio locals don't have a "slang" name like the PA locals. If you honestly think that Pittman is not a Pennsylvania regular then tell me.
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