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Reigning ASCS Champ, Jason Johnson has been on a tear this week in the World Series Sprintcars in Australia! Starting with an emotional victory on the tragic anniversary of his sisters death, Johnson has jumped to 3rd in points behind second place Robbie Farr and WSS leader, David Murcott.

Jason Qualifies 2nd and Wins Round 12 Wednesday Night at Kalgoorlie - Full Story:

http://www.worldseriessprintcars.com/index.php/cgblog/72/Johnson-wins-lucky-round-13

Dirt Dog TV Video Highlights (courtesy Power Productions) and Interview from Round 12:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7vZbZkBAFg

Jason Wins Again at Bunbury Speedway - Round 14 on Saturday Night - Full Story:

http://www.facebook.com/DirtDogTV#!/photo.php?fbid=10150139107925820&set=a.426881925819.216832.160356245819&theater

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Not sure why JJ is not in Cali. defending his ASCS title.... this owner points thing is crap... since K.Larson is not even driving his car... it's a local car.

Is this points system a new development in ASCS? I was reading this other thread and still don't quite understand it... you can run any car, with any driver, under any number... to earn points for that number's registered owner?

http://www.hoseheadforums.com/forum.cfm?ThreadID=51519

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Jason Johnson leased the Finley Farms car therefore will recieve owner points for the ASCS National Tour events in California this week. He is currently driving for Alan Haynes in Aussie in a hot points battle in the WSS.

the finley farms car is the car jason drove at the trophy cup last year that is why the relationship, jj leased the car so he could get owners points at the three races he will miss, jj will be back at devils bowl.

Can someone post some pictures from the last 5 or so years trophy presentation for the "car owner" from the ASCS national tour banquet? Also, can someone show me the payout to the "car owners" for the past 5 years? Im sure this will be easy enough, being's this isn't a "new" program the ASCS just started the past 2 or 3 weeks is it?

Well last year Jason Johnson was the owner and driver of his JJR race team therefore he recieved all 60,000 dollars. In 2009 Shane Stewart got 30,000 and Paul Silva got 30,000. In 2008 Jason Johnson got 25,000 and Lanny Row got 25,000. Get the drift?

would anyone care if it had been the actual JJR equipment going through the gates in California with a fill in driver?

No matter the case, whats transpiring sets a poor precedence for what amounts to nothing more than just a few racers being resourceful.

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I would have to agree with you Blue. Even though running other drivers in other cars may seem a little disingenuous from a fans point of view, a driver taking full advantage of what the rules allow is not only resourceful but mandatory if you want to win a championship. Like Buzz Rightrear said in the other thread (link above), if it's in the rules then everybody has the same opportunity to do it. I did not know this was allowed under ASCS rules and learned something new here... but I started this thread to congratulate Jason on his success down under. Keep it up JJ!!

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nobody cares about it until it affects them. Being a Champion means more than accumulating the most points.

Wouldn't it have been nice to add 3 or 4 additional ASCS headed cars to a newly formed region in it's inaugural weekend. Ahh, if only there had been no complaints about there being ONLY 32 cars. Wait.........

I say again - poor precedent being set when a team can capitalize without ever having set foot or equipment on the facility.

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OK Bluteam... now I am confused again. When you said in your first post that "...what's transpiring sets a poor precedent..." I thought you were referring to folks complaining about Johnson taking advantage of the what the rules allow. Now, I need you to clarify your position for me. Are you taking issue with Jason's actions or with the ASCS and the fact that the rules allow for this?

Thanks!

Joe

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Joe - a couple things.

First - I don't see in the ASCS rule book where it makes reference to the situation that took place in California this past week, so I have to assume that it was a judgment call by Emmett, Tommie, (or both), and I will be the first to say that the judgment calls I have seen by ASCS National are generally very fair and in the best interest of all involved. The posted rule book only makes reference to drivers responsibilities and being eligible for prizes and contingencies - no reference to owners that I can find.

Second - I have no dog in this particular fight, but I can think of at least one situation this past year that makes me wonder how it would have been handled had someone tried to pull this NASCAR type move that a few teams/drivers pulled in California.

Third - Yes, I just don't like seeing what happened, and stated the multiple reasons why in the post you quoted. It's just the way I feel about it, and not an attempt to place blame anywhere. All the actual players involved are wiser than I.

With that said - I hope all of the owners/drivers that towed through the gate at Tulare and Hanford with their own equipment, and who committed to running the entire ASCS National series schedule, have a banner year and prove this all to be a mute point.

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Thanks Blueteam! I appreciate your input and insight. It's nice to discuss a topic with someone who is thoughtful and articulate.

And again... congrats to JJ on his success in Australia!

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the tracks, series and promotors need to do things to keep the owners happy, most of us are fans of the drivers but many owners spend thousands with very little return and no series or track needs to lose cars, the point fund and tow money is a nice reward and big help but sure does not cover the cost,

How would you feel if a hired driver drove for one owner all but the last race and started his own team for that race to win the point fund? Or the owner ran one driver entrie year then fired driver at last race to claim all the fund? using those two possible stories giving both owner and driver points per car entered is only way to be fair to protect both the owner and driver

also, what if no owner points so JJ decided not to lease the car and place the young driver in the seat, perhaps that car would not have been at the event and the good young man might not have been at the race, who would loose that deal,, WE the fans!

the 29 car with Bud Kaeding was going to be at those two races no matter what. Fairly certain Finley's was as well.

I have no problem with separating owner and drivers points Carl. Where was the/those owners equipment, crew, etc for the 21 and 41 cars? Seems the fans were the ones who lost out by not seeing those teams tow through the gate.

I believe what was pulled will have far more reaching effects down the road. JMO

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here is one example Carl -

in 2010 the ASCS Northwest Region (compliments of Marc Huson Shark Racing Engines) raffled off a brand new engine as part of its year end contingency program. To be eligible, the team/driver had to make an attempt to compete in 100% of the races.

Part way through the year, Jayme Barnes (driver of the Henderson Motorsports car) wife went into labor and had a new baby. Jayme and Roger missed that weekend, and their eligibility for the raffle. Should Roger have thrown his number on one of the local cars that were running to stay eligible?

What about the teams who towed 14-1500 miles to Montana - would it have been OK for them to place a call to a Montana team to simply change a car number to be eligible for what was intended to be motivation for Northwest cars to follow the series?

It didn't happen, thankfully, but I can't help but wonder.......with the precedent now set, will we be seeing the likes of JJR cherry picking all programs like this? or? Go ahead, give a team tow money for never having towed to a race. Gotta keep them guys happy. Maybe they'll just make up more rules to keep it all in check. Thats what we need right?

Poor precedent.

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