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if the leader can pass the lapped cars 2-24 should have to pass em just like the leader did.....no free passes

Curtis Davis

where did cubic ask if lapped cars should go to the back? what did i miss. all i saw that was asked was if double file restarts should be allowed at local tracks. double file restarts were the norm as long as i can remember when i was growing up. i noticed them go away when the outlaws started lining cars up single file and starting races going into turn three. there were times cars were racing coming out of turn two going into turn three. people bitch about no excitement and single file no passing races, then they bitch when you try to give guys a chance to double up and race on restarts and put some action back into things. double the starts up, leave the lapped cars in and turn them loose. the racers will figure it out if they have any talent or any brains. most of the best drivers in the business that i know love the opportunity that restarts offer, and most love the opportunity that double file restarts give. it makes you race harder. the guy in the lead might not like it, but that same guy loves it when he isn't leading. the good drivers will make double file starts work for them

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I say Hell yes. Double File restarts are great, and gives the guys in the back a shot at moving up. Make for better racing (IMO). With the single file starts the back markers have no shot because the front runners are already on the Back Shoot while the back marker are just going past the flag stand.

I voted yes but i think the leader should start out front by themselves. ron (THE REAL) cubic

If our beloved WoO rules that there races start double file , then why not all our local races as well , it may help our local guys plus as it's been said it puts some more excitement into the races

I agree with RRC. Yes to the double file restarts, but the leader should start out front by themselves. This is how the dirt late models do it, and I like those much better than first and second side by side.

Yup The Deleware Restart would be cool.

Alot of this might be true. But it really isn't fair to the guy (regardless of where in the field he is, front or rear) who has fought for a number of laps to make a good clean pass to be put into a position were he must deal with that car starting next to him again. Besides, double file at the start is risky enough. I have seen sprint races over this past year where the double file has caused yellow after yellow and ruined races. This is not Nascrap. If you earned a spot you should be able to keep it on restarts. You should not have to race for a spot that you have earned because of someone elses mistake. If the car that was past under green wants that spot he should have to work for it, not be given a shot at it due to a restart.

Never hit stationary objects!

Double file restarts are great if you have 22 o r 24 cars. But if you have only 10 cars left on track it sucks. Then go back to single file restarts.

Doudle file restarts are great if the cars have or are those that had DOORs. Nurf bar double file sucks put the cone on the front straight.

ditto everything Sprinter 79 posted. A driver works on a car for 5 or 6 laps to have it taken away by a yellow. Nope. Someone posted, "most of the best drivers in the business love double-file restarts", maybe true, but they ain't racing sprintcars at our local tracks. Its great for fender cars where you aren't going to get into a $5,000 crunch on a restart.

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Think of Little Rock the last night of the Short Track Nationals. One lane freight train on the bottom. Get out of the preferred groove and the train passes you by. Now, think of this......you worked your tail off to get up to 2nd place......yellow flag. You are going to be starting outside. If you can't force your way back down to the bottom, and quick, how many cars are gonna pass you in the first lap?

On certain tracks double file restarts work....and work well. But as I've shown, other tracks the double file is gonna bite alot of people.

Not only that, but think of the score keepers. When the one to go comes out people jump out of line, move positions. I have heard drivers say "try and take a spot or two before the green and make them put you back. Then what? Double file restarts in our form of racing suck! We got caught up in crap that happened ahead of us three times last year as a result of double file restarts. If you are in the wrong place at the wrong time, through no fault of your own, you still get collected with not a chance of saving your program. Lets risk it once at the start and be done with it.

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who said anything about losing any positions? you don't lose any positions on a double file restart. if you are a car in an odd numbered position on a double file start and you passed a car a lap before the yellow, you line up on the inside of them and they have to drive around you. if you are in an even numbered position, you are starting a row ahead of them. if you just passed someone and the yellow comes out, the line up is going to revert back any way. you guys that cry are just too negative. think positive and of the opportunity that starting half the distance behind the leader gives you. the delaware type restart might not be bad either. before the outlaws, most races that i remember were double file restarts . that's is before any newbie pansy with a few bucks could go buy the same stuff the veterans are running and call themselves drivers. i hate hearing all the negativity and all the reasons why something can't be done. half the racers around don't belong in the stuff they have these days anyway, so it is no surprise we have pussies who would rather line up single file and follow someone around rather than line up next to them and race their ass off. present company excepted. lol. i respect everyone has an opinion and we all don't agree, but given the opportunity to start 10 rows back single file behind the leader and having the first few lead cars jump out on everyone or 5 rows back doubled up with a chance to get to the first few lead cars is an easy choice in my book. i take it as an opportunity, not as a detriment.

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Maybe the cry babies are the ones that need the break to get back up into the field because they were incapable of racing when the track was green. Perhaps if those that were in the back were fast enough to keep up they would not need freebies. It is not negativity. Double file re-starts tear up alot of equipment when the back markers get the opportunity to muddy up the waters for those who are truly fast.

And for your information, WE are the backmarkers, and I do not want to be Cut a Break. If we are going to race at the front then I want to earn it. I do not want my car to be in a position to gain because someone in front of my car jumbled up thier line and we gained position. If we are going to pass it will be under the GREEN, whrere the racing is supposed to take place!

As for folks who are up there who shouldn't be. Yes, there are those who buy thier way up there. But, that having been said, they too must drive the car. If they were incapable of handling it even the best cars would not be winning. As much as I hate to admit it, racing is about cubic dollars. Talent left the stage many many years ago. The cars are easier to drive, but it's that way accross the board. So maybe advocates of the double file restarts due to the dollars up front are the whiners. Present company excluded!....................lol

Never hit stationary objects!

From a fan perspective, I look at it 2 ways.

Scenario #1, yellow comes out with 6 or 7 to go. Double File restart makes good racing for 2-3 laps, then follow the leader the rest of the race (no traffic to catch up to).

Scenario #2, yellow comes out with 6 or 7 to go. Single file restart, racing sucks for first 4-5 laps, but then leaders are in traffic the last few laps which generally gives second place a chance to pass for the win.

IMO, drivers EARNED their position in front of another driver/car on the racetrack, we shouldn't "give" someone an advantage of starting beside a car that passed them (or started in front of them).

I say, get rid of the cone and go back to starting on the backstretch going into turn #3. Let's guys that are good at restarts take advantage of drivers that aren't so good, and you'll see just as many passes since they don't have to worry about hitting the cone if they go 2 or 3 wide. I loved the restarts back in the day because it made reflexes matter. How many times did you see the green light come on, and someone back in 7th or 8th would get by 3 or 4 cars right away on the restart .

With Video, Transponders, Raceivers, etc. even if someone did jump a start, it'd be easy to re-align everyone and send the guilty to the rear of the field.

I love the WoO using double file restarts but they also have bigger budgets than most local teams meaning if they tear stuff up, usually that have resources to replace. Double file restarts lead to more wrecks. Very exciting, but I can understand why local tracks or organizations stay away from it.

I think the majority of the race fans like the double file restarts ... and without the fans there wouldn't be races for long...

Phil Taylor

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I think it depends on the track layout/configuration.

Double File Restarts @ Knoxville for the WoO show last year were a joke...

On a 1/4, 1/3, or 3/8 they might be OK, but on a 1/2 all they did was make it exciting for 2 corners, and took out any chance of catching lapped traffic (leaders were 3/4 of a lap behind the last place car instead of 1/2 a lap behind). Lapped traffic is what makes the races interesting. I'm not into watching the start of a race every few laps (and then more caution laps because someone got "squeezed", crashed, or spun out or "deemed by officials" to have jumped the restart).

I'll take single file (without the cone) like it was in the 90's. Restarts were WAYYY more fun to watch then, as someone could pass a bunch of cars (that actually were in front of them, not beside them) by having good reflexes and anticipation.