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The MidWest 305 Sprint car Series will be voting on whether to adopt the 305 engine rules that are used at Knoxville Raceway. If these rules are adapted, it will mark the start of the end of the MW305 Series. The main change would be the addition of the drysump and ported heads. We are trying to keep costs low, and still put on a good show for the fans. The same thing that happened to the 360 class at K'ville will happen to the 305's. Engine costs skyrocketed. Our club's cars has won features with a MW305 spec engine at K'ville, but it was due to a superior driver and his many years of driving knowledge. In addition, our club pays $700 to win and K'ville pays $400 to win(2010).

305 car owners and drivers, what do you think?

Totally agree. The costs of 305 racing will evetually ruin this class. The Midwest 305 Association has a good thing going and should NOT bow down to Knoxville and thier rules. If anything, the Midwest 305 Association needs to schedule more races at $700 to win.

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Not to disagree with Hawker, but I could imagine paying 200 dollars for a dry sump pan and maybe 500-800 for a pump. Hoses are very expensive and so are the pulleys and belts. And if you went to a different configuration to drive the pump, you have a lot more costs. In essence I feel most people would pay a lot more than 500 dollars when all is said and done to put a dry sump system on their stock 305 engine.

I would rather see those racers who are determined to use a dry sump system to just go spend the 500 dollars for a good wet sump pan.

Porting heads is just another thing that drives up costs. Ask any head mfg, the cost of porting is one of the most expensive things they can charge you for.

I would say for those racers and associations that want to go to porting or dry sumps, should just add another class where people have and want to spend a lot of money on their racing and let the low dollars racers, race cheaply. Leave them alone.

Sincerely,

Larry Otani

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I think they need to adopt the 305 spec racesaver rules it keeps the cost low and the class is very close on competition.

the 305 sprintcars are the future of racing.in the midwest this last 2 years we have lost 25% of our 360 and 410 competitors.rumor has it that 8 of our regular 360 teams have quit this year.leave the wet pans and ported heads to the 360 guys ..the 305 needs to stay as a less expensive division and it will keep growing.

I have bought 2 complete drysump systems (pan, pump, tank, lines), 1 for $500, 1 for $375. The $500 came with the front cover and water pump too. There are cheap parts out there if you are willing to look for them. You won't pick up the phone and order it today and have it shipped to you by friday, but if you look on the internet and make some phone calls, they are out there. They won't look brand new either, but anodizing won't make you faster. The ported heads, might as well make them legal, I bet half of the regular cars already are anyway, whether they run up front or not. I don't know how to control the cost of racing, as shown from the past no one else does either. Leaving the rules limited won't do it, remember when this was supposed to be a class with $5500-$7000 motors, then Gressman came out with the legal $12000 motor. Then it was $13500, then $15000. Rules won't keep it cheap, more rules will actually cost more, because then people have to spend more money to find other ways to go faster. Remember your example, the 360 class? Spec heads and a spec tire, cheaper, more competitive since you can't cheat with porting. Uh huh, now what is the excuse?

I race in the MW305 series and think the rules that are in place do a good job keeping it competitive, Kiss... KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID! Leave the rules alone, change cost money doesnt matter what you change it cost money. The dry sump issue is a deal breaker for me and many others just because we dont have the resources to get the killer deal 88 sprint got Not to mention I dont think there is enough of those deals out there to outfit all the cars in the MW305 series. I think we need to do whats best for the MW 305 series not Knoxville.

Personally, I don't see why we should go to dry sumps and ported heads. The guy I helped has won many 305 races at different tracks over the years like: Bloomfield, Algona, Vinton, I-80, and even Knoxville. All done with wet sump motors and no ported heads. I don't see why we should add extra costs to these motors, especially when we have proven that being fast and even winning can be done without dry sumps and ported heads. The rules should be left alone, the parts on the cars themselves are already expensive enough without adding more expense to the motors.

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Hmmmmmm what to say what to say. I to have broke a motor at Knoxville due to oil problems. easy fix was to run a #10 line out of the back of the valve cover down to the pan on both sides. Redneck dry sump. lol. I think the midwest 305 guys should get with the 305 guys down at 34 raceway we are getting 18-22 cars on saturday nights the pay is 600 to win with 20 or more cars and 450 to win with 19 or less. and real good pay back. 10th at Knoxville I got 80 bucks 10th at 34 is like $160.

I agree the cost has to stay low. easy fix is to leave the rules alone and enforce them. I had over 30k in my last 360 and just sold it for 10k used. I built two 305 for what the re build on the 360 is. Just my 2 cents

Nick

I must agree that no porting is my personal preference. We ran our car at k-ville weekly in 2010 and didn't run to bad but, there are a few cars that are ported that run very strong and with our non-ported heads i feel we didn't have enough. We ran @ 34 raceway as much as we could and had as much power as anyone there and the pay is great there also. The reason we run k-ville is the fire and safety crew hands down the best in the country. They pulled my driver out of our upside down inferno in 2008 and that don't happen at many other tracks. I watched Bobby Mincer this fall on fire @ 34 raceway it seemede like forever before they got to him. So with all that said i wish k-ville would have never opened there rules up the way they have. I hope mw305's stand there ground and don't allow any porting 34 raceway has proven that if you don't make big changes your car count will increase as they have proven over the last 5 years. Lets just hope k-ville releases there rules soon and that they don't allow anymore than they have allready. jmo ,Jay Wheaton

I am worried about the rising cost that is associated to this change. Winning isn't enough to pay for all of the parts and engine on the car, and not all of us have sponsors to pay some or all of it. So that cost has to be made up out of the owners pocket from his job. If that cuts too much into other living expenses, then that leaves the owner with no choice but to leave the sport.

Plus, racing with this group is not only fun, but they are a great group of people and I would hate to see them have to quit because they wouldn't be able afford it anymore.

We did try to get to Burlington early in the year, but that was rained out. But we did get there towards the end of the year, and ran well. Even if we don't do well, it's always a good time. You're right, the payout at Burlington is very good for 305's.

How about letting dry sumps run with weight added to the car? An extra 50 pounds? 100 pounds? I am on the opposite side of the fence from you guys, I already have a dry sump motor and want more tracks to race at. I know it was my choice to build it this way, but that doesn't mean I don't want more tracks. I don't feel there is a real performance gain in a dry sump anyway, only a durability gain, especially on big tracks like Knoxville. Ported heads is always going to be a touchy subject, until there is an easier way to check for it, might as well make it legal and stop all the rumors that go around about "so and so's" motor. I don't believe a flashlight and 1 persons opinion is enough to convince me one way or the other. There are too many favors being used at the tech line and like I said earlier, regardless of where they finish, I would say half of them are already ported.

the 305 classes nationwide should be on one set of rules. the most common is RaceSaver. Why not just leave that alone and let it grow.

We ran a wet sump in our 305 this year, run 20 shows, won 8 features and NEVER had the engine out of the car. Only oil changes and setting the valves. Longevity is a result of maintenance and good LUCK! Hope everyone has a great season in 2011.