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Has Steve ever ran a 360 before?

Check this earlier thread, aprrarently he has. Loved the quote about his hauler having more power

http://www.hoseheadforums.com/forum.cfm?ThreadId=44174

Sorry ... computer challenged.... how do you do that ???

Try this

www.hoseheadforums.com/forum.cfm?ThreadId=44174

Steve Is doing this event to Thank his sponsor

Mesilla Valley Transportation .MVT owns the lease for Southern New Mexico Speedway , This track has in past had WOO shows.

Thanks bud....

Like it or not ....

I think 360s are the future...

at least here in CA...

$ wise they make much more "cents"...

Did the WoO fold when they outlawed 500ci big blocks?

Did the WoO fold when they reduced the ci limit to 430?

Did the WoO fold when 410ci became the magic number?

Did Nascar fold when 358ci was the new max?

Did the NHRA Pro Stocks wilt away when mountain motors were banned?

Talk about the little boy who cried wolf...

The WoO won't fold when it goes 360. You'll just have more economical engines, more cars in the pits, closer racing, more different winners, etc.

I respect the King... but if 360s aren't cool enough for him, don't run them. Plenty of other drivers will. 100 or so in Little Rock very soon.

What makes you think the Outlaws want more economical engines, closer racing, more different winners or anything that would be beneficial for weekly racing all over the country? As engine costs continue to rise, the equipment advantage the WoO teams have over everyone else in the country will continue to widen. The 500 cubic inch big blocks were done away with largely because the Outlaws could not compete with them in PA. Right now, with the 410s, the Outlaws have a monumental equipment advantage over every area other tham PA and maybe Ohio.

The Outlaws going to 360s seems like a dream for 360 fans that is never going to happen.

who wouldnt want to spend less racing?.. first off second more cars? more $$? you've got to be an idiot not to do this just my two cents

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You've got good points, Single.

I see 360s from a couple of different viewpoints I guess.

1: racing fan. We all see the posts in here about car count; what's it gonna be at some race, why's it so low at some race, etc. I think if you had spec head 360s... you'd see the car count average double. I think a local could win on any given night. I think there would be less of a speed difference (closer racing) between cars.

2: fan of the teams. If teams spent less $$$... that would create less teams quitting the sport yearly due to extreme cost. Would ASCS-type 360s mean motor costs don't go up and up and up? Maybe. Maybe not. They're not the answer to all that ails the sport... but it's indisputable that they don't cost what a top 410 costs. I like my racing... but not at the cost of draining teams on an annual basis.

I guess business logic comes into play. Yes, racing & logic don't often end up in the same conversation... but from a business perspective... you either increase revenue or decrease expenses to survive & thrive. Simple.

Do the fans want to pay double what they do now? Nope. Do the associations simply not want to get major corporate sponsors? Of course not. Your choice is then cutting costs. Spec head 360 makes more sense than anything else I've seen.

Trust me, they've got an equipment advantage over most of the Ohio teams. Most of our tracks are smaller and less dependant on the strength of the motors so, that allows our guys to compete. That's also why you don't see many of our guys going to Eldora anymore when the outlaws come around.

To everyone that thinks that limiting the motor size to a 360, I must say that you're dead wrong. It's all about tires. They've started in the right direction with the new tires but, they're still too soft. Get rid of the cubic inch rules and enforce a minimum durometer rule on the tires and you'll have a winning combination.

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if the spec 360 head was really such a great thing then you would not be able to pick favorites for the stn, but like in any there are a handful of drivers who will be up front, and it is much, because their 360's are better

So then why haven't the Outlaws made any move to try and cut costs of 410 racing? It's not really in their best interests to put local teams on something close to even footing money-wise. If local teams all around the country were on more of an even footing money with the Outlaws, they would certainly be at risk to get beat more than just a couple times each year.

why would 360 fans want the outlaws to go 360 it would just mean that there heros would get pummled every night by the best drivers . then all them guys would go race 305,s with there budgets to be the big kid in the sandpit

360s are slowly but surely coming to Central PA. They are having more and more races every year. Selinsgrove is also considering headlining 360s in 2012 so they can have some national events. Since our 358 class opened up all of its rules it isn't cheaper anymore. If the Grove and Lincoln were also to switch to 360s as a support class it would only be a matter of time.

 
 
 
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