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Bill W
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June 27, 2010 at 01:52:20 AM
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6/26/10

Knoxville Raceway

24 410s

28 360s

25 305s

410s

Bronson Maeschen (9th car out to time) set quick time at 15.371 seconds. Dusty Zomer (12th car out) was second quick, followed by Josh Schneiderman (17th), Ian Madsen (8th), Brian Brown (22nd), Davey Heskin (7th), Seth Brahmer (13th), Austin McCarl (21st), Skip Jackson (14th) and Joey Moughan (6th). Brent Antill failed to get a time in and scratched in the Marty Johnson #81 entry.

Heat one (started): 1. Johnny Herrera 2w (2) 2. Mike Moore 69 (1) 3. Maeschen 1 (6) 4. Brahmer 13v (4) 5. Madsen 55 (5) 6. Moughan 2m (3) 7. Robby Wolfgang 7K (8) 8. Rob Kubli K9 (7)

Herrera took the early lead from Moore and led the duration of the 8-lapper. The top five finishers in the heats received their time spots back for the feature. Madsen and Moughan had a good battle for fifth, with Madsen taking the spot using the high side.

Heat two (started): 1. Wayne Johnson 77x (1) 2. Lynton Jeffrey 12 (2) 3. Zomer 91 (6) 4. Don Droud Jr. 47 (3) 5. Brown 21 (5) 6. McCarl 17a (4) 7. Bob Weuve 19 (7) 8. Mike Deavers 72 (8)

Johnson led flag to flag and won going away. The best racing was put in for third and fourth. Zomer worked his way by Brown using the low side, and did the same to Droud to move up to third.

Heat three (started): 1. Mark Dobmeier 13 (2) 2. Rager Phillips 10 (1) 3. Schneiderman 49 (6) 4. Jackson 2 (4) 5. Heskin 56 (5) 6. Erin Crocker 98 (3) 7. Ryan Bunton 6R (7) DNS - Brent Antill 81

Dobmeier led flag to flag. Schneiderman used a last lap pass of Jackson to take third.

A main (started): 1. Brown (4) 2. Johnson (14) 3. Heskin (3) 4. Maeschen (8) 5. Jackson (1) 6. Herrera (10) 7. Dobmeier (12) 8. Madsen (5) 9. Droud (9) 10. Zomer (7) 11. Jeffrey (11) 12. Phillips (15) 13. Wolfgang (22) 14. Schneiderman (6) 15. Weuve (20) 16. Moughan (17) 17. McCarl (16) 18. Brahmer (2) 19. Crocker (18) 20. Kubli (19) 21. Deavers (23) 22. Moore (13) 23. Bunton (21) DNS - Antill

Heskin used the low side to blow past the first row starters and lead lap one. Brown was on him on lap two and took the point in the 20-lapper. With three laps in the books, Moughan spun in turn one. Brown led Heskin, Jackson, Schneiderman and Maeschen on the restart. Brown pulled away, while Heskin and Jackson battled for second behind him. Schneiderman entered the picture, getting by Heskin and then making a move on Jackson for second on lap 11. He would spin into the infield, bringing out the yellow. Now Brown led Jackson, Maeschen, Heskin, Zomer and Johnson, up from 14th. Johnson moved into the top five when the caution flew again, this time on lap 14 for Bunton who came to a stop and exited. Johnson shot by Heskin and Maeschen to move into third on the restart. With four to go, Moore crashed hard into turn one, collecting Kubli, who was able to restart. No one was injured. The final restart saw Brown lead Jackson, Johnson, Maeschen and Heskin back to green flag racing. Jackson appeared to get high in turn three and contact the fence, allowing Johnson to move into second. Heskin also turned in a good restart and surged to third. The final lap saw 13th running (after going to the tail following his spin) Moughan blow a left rear tire, and collect 14th running Austin McCarl. Both cars suffered heavy damage, but both drivers were unhurt. The win was worth $3,000 and was Brown's 18th in 410 competition at Knoxville, tying him on the all-time list with Ray Lee Goodwin and Jac Haudenschild. Johnson was the hard-charger.

360s

Gregg Bakker, who holds the one-lap track record, set quick time again, coming out in the second group and posting a time of 16.286 seconds. Ryan Roberts was second quick, ahead of Dennis Moore Jr., Dustin Selvage, Chad Humston, Clint Garner, Matt Moro, Josh Higday, Johnny Anderson and Tony Shilling. Tom Lenz timed in, but went up in smoke, ending his night.

Heat one (started): 1. RJ Johnson 71 (1) 2. Moro 2m (4) 3. Bakker 11x (6) 4. Selvage 7 (5) 5. Shilling 47T (3) / 6. Bryan Dobesh 54 (8) 7. Bill Boles 05 (7) 8. Alan Zoutte 33 (9) 9. John Hall 7H (2) DNS - Tom Lenz 8L

RJ Johnson led the 7-lapper from flag to flag, but Moro gave him a run. Selvage and Shilling had a nice battle for fourth. J. Hall exited after one lap with mechanical issues that would sideline him for the night.

Heat two (started): 1. Jon Agan 4 (1) 2. Higday 10 (4) 3. Roberts 18 (6) 4. Humston 1m (5) 5. Danny Heskin 6 (2) / 6. Russ Hall 45c (8) 7. Jamie Ball 5J (3) 8. Chad Heimbaugh 04 (7) 9. Joe Miller 78 (9)

Agan led flag to flag. The best battle was for the fifth and final transfer. R. Hall came on strong, but Heskin held him off at the line.

Heat three (started): 1. Lee Grosz 4J (2) 2. Anderson 7a (4) 3. Moore Jr. 2 (6) 4. Nate Van Haaften 3 (1) 5. Garner 40 (5) / 6. Brett Mather 17G (7) 7. Nate Mosher 22N (9) 8. Ricky Montgomery 9m (8) 9. Jarrod Schneiderman 88 (3)

Grosz led the distance on the cushion, while Anderson was a constant presence on the low side in a good race.

B main (started): 1. Schneiderman (2) 2. Boles (4) 3. Mather (6) 4. R. Hall (8) 5. Dobesh (5) / 6. Ball (1) 7. Montgomery (7) 8. Heimbaugh (3) 9. Mosher (11) 10. Zoutte (10) 11. Miller (9) DNS - J. Hall, Lenz

Schneiderman got out to an early lead in the 10-lapper. R. Hall surged from row four, and was quickly in a transfer. On lap seven, Boles took over the point, but Schneiderman stayed on him and retook the lead on the last lap in a great race. Mather and R. Hall had a good battle, and Dobesh took the last transfer with two to go.

A main (started): 1. Selvage (5) 2. Humston (4) 3. Bakker (8) 4. Higday (1) 5. Anderson (9) 6. Agan (14) 7. Roberts (7) 8. Grosz (12) 9. Garner (3) 10. Heskin (11) 11. Mather (18) 12. R. Hall (19) 13. Moro (2) 14. Shilling (10) 15. Moore Jr. (6) 16. Dobesh (20) 17. Van Haaften (15) 18. Schneiderman (16) 19. Boles (17) 20. RJ Johnson (13)

After Moro spun on the first try at green, and Garner spun on the next, Humston inherited a front row starting spot and led the first four laps. Moore Jr. brought a caution lap two due to a flat right rear. He restarted at the tail. Humston led Higday, Selvage, Bakker and Roberts on the restart. On lap four, Selvage had worked his way under Higday and set his sights on Humston, passing him for a lead he would never surrender the rest of the 15-lap distance. A close call at the midway point in lapped traffic gave Humston a chance, but Selvage pulled away again. Bakker moved up nicely to third. Agan was the hard-charger, moving up eight spots. RJ Johnson retired on lap 12. The win was Selvage's fifth career win at Knoxville.

305s

Heat one (started): 1. Ryan Voss 3D (1) 2. Chris Mallicoat 22 (2) 3. Matthew Stelzer 99 (3) 4. Mitchell Alexander 6 (7) 5. Steve Palmer 2 (4) 6. Chad Huston 7c (5) 7. Russell Wiese 18 (6) 8. Alan Ambers 93A (8) 9. Dustin Clark 16 (9)

Heat two (started): 1. Steve Breazeale 57 (1) 2. Marty Stephenson 36 (2) 3. Ray Evernham 66 (5) 4. Keith Carlberg 21 (3) 5. Bob Lamb 47 (6) 6. Mark Johnson 45 (7) 7. Casie Shilling 16c (4) 8. Earl Tice 2T (8)

Heat three (started): 1. Tasker Phillips 7TAZ (1) 2. Mark Widmar 7w (5) 3. Tim St. Arnold 36s (3) 4. Matt Stephenson 55 (8) 5. Mike Van Haaften 33 (6) 6. Nick Ross R99 (4) 7. Chris Maurer 55x (2) 8. Cole Wood 17w (7)

A main (started): 1. Phillips (6) 2. Widmar (3) 3. Stelzer (2) 4. Matt Stephenson (12) 5. Marty Stephenson (4) 6. Breazeale (7) 7. St. Arnold (9) 8. Voss (8) 9. Mallicoat (5) 10. Huston (16) 11. Ross (18) 12. Maurer (19) 13. Lamb (14) 14. Van Haaften (15) 15. Palmer (13) 16. Evernham (1) 17. Clark (23) 18. Carlberg (11) 19. Ambers (22) 20. Shilling (20) 21. Alexander (10) 22. Johnson (17) 23. Tice (21) DNS - Wiese, Wood

Stelzer led early in the 12-lapper. Breazeale was into third behind Widmar on lap two. On lap four, Widmar used the low side to work under Stelzer for the lead. Three laps later, Ambers came to a stop on the backstretch. On the restart, Widmar led Phillips, Stelzer, Breazeale and Marty Stephenson. Alexander brought out a caution with three to go. Phillips was just passing Widmar when the yellow flew, but he repeated it on the restart and went on to his third career 305 feature win at Knoxville.


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mark simms
June 27, 2010 at 03:21:44 PM
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I agree Knoxville needs to do something about the quality of cars. I went to Burlington last night and saw quite a few people who are always at Knoxville.



checkered48
June 27, 2010 at 06:11:22 PM
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Posted By: mark simms on June 27 2010 at 03:21:44 PM

I agree Knoxville needs to do something about the quality of cars. I went to Burlington last night and saw quite a few people who are always at Knoxville.



What do you propose they do? They already have one of the highest weekly purses in the nation, if not the highest. Knoxville fans are spoiled! I would gladly pay 15 bucks to see a weekly all wing show and not have to sit through 3 fendered support classes. I make it over that way a few times a year and am not disappointed at the quality show that is ran effeciently. This year may not have as many big names as previous years but there are a lot of young drivers honing their skills for the future. Enjoy it, I plan on doing just that every time I can.




Jerk
June 27, 2010 at 06:19:53 PM
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Posted By: checkered48 on June 27 2010 at 06:11:22 PM

What do you propose they do? They already have one of the highest weekly purses in the nation, if not the highest. Knoxville fans are spoiled! I would gladly pay 15 bucks to see a weekly all wing show and not have to sit through 3 fendered support classes. I make it over that way a few times a year and am not disappointed at the quality show that is ran effeciently. This year may not have as many big names as previous years but there are a lot of young drivers honing their skills for the future. Enjoy it, I plan on doing just that every time I can.



Knoxville won't have 410's on a weekly basis in 3-5 years. The motor is the show at Knoxville and people have to put all their money into their motor or go broke trying. Last I knew 20th paid $600 and 12th was only worth $650-$675. You can pass 8 cars and it's worth $50?!? So the only way to make any money is finish in the top 3. The purse structure is so top heavy that you have to go broke trying to win. They do pay well but only to finish at the front. They need to restructure the purse so someone can finish 10th in points and afford to come back the following year without a huge sponsor.



checkered48
June 27, 2010 at 06:40:54 PM
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That's still a pretty nice payout even when compared to most "traveling" series. $600 to start the main is second only to the Outlaws, not bad for a weekly show. I sincerely hope the big motor sprints are there for years to come, without them the weekly show will struggle to survive. I still say 15 bucks is a bargain for their weekly show.



MA305SPRINTS
June 27, 2010 at 07:21:55 PM
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It's good pay if your in the 410 class. The 305 class payout sucks!! $400 to win is a slap in the face when you look at the car counts they have been getting in the 305's. You can't build a 305 engine for less than 10k that will run all season. And then the fact they don't even tech them sucks even more. No 305's again til july 17th hopefully they will decide to tech these cars then!!!




gofast123
June 27, 2010 at 07:44:04 PM
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Posted By: Jerk on June 27 2010 at 06:19:53 PM

Knoxville won't have 410's on a weekly basis in 3-5 years. The motor is the show at Knoxville and people have to put all their money into their motor or go broke trying. Last I knew 20th paid $600 and 12th was only worth $650-$675. You can pass 8 cars and it's worth $50?!? So the only way to make any money is finish in the top 3. The purse structure is so top heavy that you have to go broke trying to win. They do pay well but only to finish at the front. They need to restructure the purse so someone can finish 10th in points and afford to come back the following year without a huge sponsor.



Considering you only attend on free tickets , that pretty well sums how much of a sprint car fan you really are.

Fork over the $15, then you can whine.



LLLosingit
June 27, 2010 at 11:49:41 PM
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This message was edited on June 27, 2010 at 11:51:24 PM by LLLosingit
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Posted By: MA305SPRINTS on June 27 2010 at 07:21:55 PM

It's good pay if your in the 410 class. The 305 class payout sucks!! $400 to win is a slap in the face when you look at the car counts they have been getting in the 305's. You can't build a 305 engine for less than 10k that will run all season. And then the fact they don't even tech them sucks even more. No 305's again til july 17th hopefully they will decide to tech these cars then!!!



It's not about car counts it's about butts in the stands and 305 don't add them.

305's don't put people in the stands thats the reason the payout is so low. 410's are the main draw for the track and always will be. The day they quit running 410s will be the time I quit going weekly to Knoxville. I can handle 360's but I'd rather not have to sit and watch the 305's chug around the track.

360's have enough trouble drawing crowds, I almost always go to the 360 nationals and most of the time I feel like I have the place to myself. The stands are damn near empty until Saturday night when they add the 410's. 360's have never been a big draw either.

I would love to see them start a run what you brung class with just safety rules and basic rules on the chassis and tires in place. Let the cars run big blocks,small blocks, turbo chargers, super chargers and what ever it takes to make them fast but yet keep them safe.

I could see people coming just to see the different engine combinations compete. I know I would! It would bring back the days of old in Indy cars when ingenuity and creativity was half the reason people went.



z-man
June 28, 2010 at 12:15:46 AM
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MA305SPRINTS:

"...And then the fact they don't even tech them sucks even more. No 305's again til july 17th hopefully they will decide to tech these cars then!!!..."

You must not have been there the last (2) weeks. I heard that they checked for Roller cams/lifters on over (25) 305's the last (2) weeks. I must have heard wrong...CZ




Bill W
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June 28, 2010 at 09:07:09 AM
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MA305SPRINTS:

"...And then the fact they don't even tech them sucks even more. No 305's again til july 17th hopefully they will decide to tech these cars then!!!..."

You must not have been there the last (2) weeks. I heard that they checked for Roller cams/lifters on over (25) 305's the last (2) weeks. I must have heard wrong...CZ



Yes, Chuck, I believe that was an imposter who looked identical to you teching the 305's on Saturday...the guy was probably just trying to fit in...

Jerk, maybe you have some money to add to the purse? It's $700 for 12th, which is second best to the Outlaws in any payoff. I will give you the following link for your education...I won't hold my breath that it will help!

http://www.computermaninc.net/410Purse.htm

Mark, you are becoming one of the posters that I think we all roll our eyes and skip over...perhaps a few of our Knoxville drivers would like to have a word with you about what a quality driver is and how they can hone their skills, since you seem to know...


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brettco
June 28, 2010 at 09:40:03 AM
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It's not about car counts it's about butts in the stands and 305 don't add them.

305's don't put people in the stands thats the reason the payout is so low. 410's are the main draw for the track and always will be. The day they quit running 410s will be the time I quit going weekly to Knoxville. I can handle 360's but I'd rather not have to sit and watch the 305's chug around the track.

360's have enough trouble drawing crowds, I almost always go to the 360 nationals and most of the time I feel like I have the place to myself. The stands are damn near empty until Saturday night when they add the 410's. 360's have never been a big draw either.

I would love to see them start a run what you brung class with just safety rules and basic rules on the chassis and tires in place. Let the cars run big blocks,small blocks, turbo chargers, super chargers and what ever it takes to make them fast but yet keep them safe.

I could see people coming just to see the different engine combinations compete. I know I would! It would bring back the days of old in Indy cars when ingenuity and creativity was half the reason people went.



That's not a bad idea - I would go watch that.

yagottawanna
June 28, 2010 at 01:22:13 PM
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That's not a bad idea - I would go watch that.


Does anyone have the full payout for the 305s?

Thanks




jwag6
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June 28, 2010 at 01:58:58 PM
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305 guy's come down to 34 Raceway they pay $600 to win if there's 20 cars or more, and we've been getting that. You'll have to take your dry sumps off though.


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MA305SPRINTS
June 28, 2010 at 05:05:10 PM
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They have looked at the 305's, but a pen light looking at the lifter valley through the pushrod hole is not all there is to teching these cars. Things that are checked at other tracks are cubic in., stacks, inspection hole in pan for lightweight parts, check the valvespring preasure that will tell you if it is a roller or not , driveshaft , bolt kits to just name a few.



3Dracing
June 28, 2010 at 05:05:53 PM
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Does anyone have the full payout for the 305s?

Thanks



I have heard the 305's pay $450 to win. I know through experience that 8th place pays $100. Not enough to make us pull the 4 hrs. one way again. BTW, Knoxville ruined the 305 class in the midwest by changing the rules (dry sumps, etc.) IMO.




Jerk
June 28, 2010 at 07:39:19 PM
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Posted By: gofast123 on June 27 2010 at 07:44:04 PM

Considering you only attend on free tickets , that pretty well sums how much of a sprint car fan you really are.

Fork over the $15, then you can whine.



i worked on a sprint car last year at knoxville and it put my driver out of business because of the d-bag running it so excuse me if i choose not to lace his fat pockets anymore. don't question me being a fan i've been going for 20 plus years.



Jerk
June 28, 2010 at 07:43:03 PM
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Yes, Chuck, I believe that was an imposter who looked identical to you teching the 305's on Saturday...the guy was probably just trying to fit in...

Jerk, maybe you have some money to add to the purse? It's $700 for 12th, which is second best to the Outlaws in any payoff. I will give you the following link for your education...I won't hold my breath that it will help!

http://www.computermaninc.net/410Purse.htm

Mark, you are becoming one of the posters that I think we all roll our eyes and skip over...perhaps a few of our Knoxville drivers would like to have a word with you about what a quality driver is and how they can hone their skills, since you seem to know...



Hey Bill i don't need stats because i know first hand how finishing 12th in points puts you straight out of racing. $700 times 20 weeks doesn't pay for 1 $25000 engine and keeping the car going plus food on the table for a driver's family. I suppose you don't know anything about that though do you. Much easier to be a kiss azz



Oppermanfan
June 28, 2010 at 08:55:29 PM
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I hate saying this but the Jerk is right. I have been at the Knoxville Raceway every Saturday night since 1985 and the 410's are a dying breed. I agree with him that I don't think there will be a 410 class in the 3 to 5 years. Until Cappy and the other old timers are gone it will continue to stay status quo at best. Don't hear what I am not saying. I think Cappy has been wonderful for many aspects of the sport, but his time has passed. Put him in every hall of fame, give him another 10 grand under the table and let him ride off into the sunset. Bring in a guy like Terry McCarl to promote that can find ways to make it exciting.There are far to many things competing for peoples entertainment dollar to just drive around in your golf cart, smoking and watching a tradition die. I noticed the Knoxville Raceway trailer says " Keeping the tradition alive". Yep that is all you are doing. It is on life support and you don't seem to care. Revive it and watch it florish. If you actually care. Sorry kinda vented there. Just tired of it.


HoldenCaulfield
June 28, 2010 at 09:18:01 PM
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This message was edited on June 28, 2010 at 09:19:52 PM by HoldenCaulfield

$600 to start is more than an All-Star or PA speedweek show. Knoxville's weekly purse is the highest for a local show anywhere in the country by a good margin. Williams Grove pays more to win but K-ville is much better through the pack. The days of making it on what the car earns at the track went bye-bye several decades ago. These days you need a rich owner and/or some good sponsors. It's not Knoxville's fault. That's the way it is everywhere. Knoxville is doing what they can by having the highest purse, highest point fund and trying something different with the 440 engine rule this year. 24 410's is not a bad field. My suggestion: enjoy what you have.


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cubfan07
June 28, 2010 at 09:54:10 PM
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Hey Bill i don't need stats because i know first hand how finishing 12th in points puts you straight out of racing. $700 times 20 weeks doesn't pay for 1 $25000 engine and keeping the car going plus food on the table for a driver's family. I suppose you don't know anything about that though do you. Much easier to be a kiss azz



Bill never said running weekly at Knoxville was enough to live off of. If you are running weekly at a

track you are gonna need a part time or full time job. Unless you have the funds to run with the

outlaws or PA (3+ times a week) dirt track racing should just be a hobby. I like Cappy but WHEN

his time is done I would love to see Toby Kruse take over.


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