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so you are telling me that the rutz family, who are giving updates and condition and so on of travis rutz are breaking the law? what about the info and updates that everyone gets on here and other places on the internet when some driver is hurt? doesn't someone have to agree with and sign some contract to be bound by HIPAA? by the way it is HIPAA as far as i can tell. i would think you would know that. HIPAA covers health plans, health providers, and health clearinghouses and provides that they get a release from the patient before releasing any medical info to people other than that needed to perform the care of the individule. i don't think the release of info by the drivers mom falls under that, and i would say she might of had permission to use it. just a guess though.

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I think the hippa violation topic is getting much broader, I would only assume somebody on here can direct the definet purpose and actions required to individuals subject to violations concerning Hippa, I would only assume dotors stating a athelets condition is release after some ink is sighned , were getting into a pretty touchy subject on a plublic forum, sure you can get some information ,but i would have to believe the information is released from a family member not caring about protecting thier practice and just forwarding information to all concerned, again many directions can be approached at this topic , the individuals objective is what is undetermined, regarless, Thank God Jack is OK, maybe ta different decision should be made by somebody that has NOT had thier "bell " rung the previous night , simple as that . walk away from it !

First of all, all this talk about HIPAA regs is stupid.If you want to raise a stink about Jack’s mother letting people know how Jack is doing, fine go ahead, here’s a link for you:http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/complaints/index.html . Oh wait, that’s right Jack’s mom is not a “Covered Entity”.You are safe Mrs. Dover.

Next thing, I do not agree with Jack’s decision to race at all.I feel that there needs to be some rules set in place by track ownership, series ownership, series promoters, track promoters, and promoters in general about this sort of thing.

I find it funny that many of you are beating down on the ASCS and Eagle for not policing this situation, but are we forgetting that this was in fact a Tony Bruce Jr. Production?If you want to point fingers at who let Jack race, I think you need to also throw Tony’s name in there, he was in fact the promoter of the event. But why don’t we?Because Tony is a nice guy?Because he is a racer?Because he is doing some different things to better the sport?Why are we now on the 4^th page of this battle and no one has even mentioned TBJ Promotions?

I have yet to see any driver that was at the event get on this thread and voice their opinion about the topic, so I am assuming that all drivers were OK with this?We should never assume though.Each driver has their own responsibility for safety however, and if any of them felt that they were in danger, they had the right and the ability not to race.

Jack and Ricky, you both endangered your lives and those around you.I find this repulsive and unsporting.Some will say every time you strap into that machine you are endangering lives as well, but most of the time is without a brain injury.I just hope that you two are able to see this point and make a better decision in the future.

I am calling on all entities within the sport to make a change from track owners and promoters, to Series owners and promoters.Here’s a start:Anytime a driver of a car, no matter if it is a sprint car or a hobby stock, is taken away from the scene of an incident to the ER, whether it was at your track or event, must receive a signed Doctor’s Release before racing within a 48 hour time frame.This may be hard to manage and police, but I think it would stop situations like we had at Eagle. It's a start.

FYI

I've been told by two traveling series and two local promotors/track safty workers not to take pic's of a wrecked cars (if the car is in the air and moving it was ok) on the track when the car is not moving or when medical personal are working on the driver (or anyone hurt at the track) and not to write or tell about how the driver/person is doing

I've seen cars covered up so no one can see what the car looks like after the wreck (like this year in Vegas 2010)

Brian 

"TURN AROUND; MATE !"

brian, as a photo journalist i would think you have the right to take pictures of anything you can see. most photogs have good judgement and discretion on what they release to the public. i also know that the track can refuse to credential you if they so choose. so you are in a tough position sometimes. lol. have fun this weekend, and be careful where you point that camera!

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OH YEAH; there is a little race happening up here in the Pacfic Northwest

LOL; not everything it has something to do with a releases. Couple years ago I had a sweet pic of 4 kids (waving green/white/yellow/check flags) in the crowd it was published on the tracks website and I found out what trouble was all about couple days later

Brian 

"TURN AROUND; MATE !"

when a racer signs into the pits most often they are agreeing to the track to use their picture and name in any press releases and any advertising. now i don't know what you did to these poor little kids that you speak of to get in trouble, but i hope the pictures don't land you in jail! lol. oh man, that was just WRONG in so many ways!

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My point is, no one who has contributed to this thread has stated as FACT that either a release was or was not presented in either case.

maybe they are afraid of the HIPAA law? lmao.

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If you give someone permission to release your phi (private health information) it's ok. If Jack Dover gave his mom permission then it's fine.

Head injuries are serious. Didn't Billy Mays, the annoying infomercial dude die because some carry-on luggage fell out of the overhead bin and hit him in the head?

watch you talkin bout Willis. Didn't Gary Coleman just die from a head injury also.

LOL

Your right about the back gate release (as a promoter told me) but this was kids in the stands and they didnt have to sign anything

The kids were eating ice cream and had it all over there faces along with the flags made it a special picture; it's amazing how you can remember pic's from years past just like this one

Remember the drivers name of this car ?

Brian 

"TURN AROUND; MATE !"

DANG! it is amazing what people will try to dig up from your past! lol. by the way, that is not a release being signed!

again have fun this weeked brian, and we will be looking forward to seeing some of your work.

as far as the driver of the car, all i will say is he is a "big guy". all this talk of releasing private info prevents me from commenting any further or divulging any more info! i still have bent parts from that car on my "shelf of shame".

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LOL; you will notice the pic above didn't show the face of the subject either

Brian 

"TURN AROUND; MATE !"

I thought Billy died from Coke...without the Cola?

TSA...It's not a GROPE...it's a Freedom Pat!

CHICKEN!!!

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Buzz - I'm assuming HIPAA doesn't apply to Rutz, being as that he is Canadian. His parents may also have had their legal guardianship reinstated due to his condition.

Personally, I'm crossing my fingers that we just don't have any more injuries that require discussion of their seriousness. I'm tired of seeing my friends get hurt.

I don't care if he is 2 or 20 if that was my son, there is not a snowball's chance in hell that he would have been in that car! Especially if I owned the car! I have been involved in racing all of my life and yes my son is also a driver! Doctors orders are just that and there is NO WAY points would come before his safety and those of the other drivers. Head trauma is serious and so is safety. And Ricky Logan you in fact know better as well! ASCS in the future you need to request a doctor's release be shown before racing.

racn4yrs, great post.

TSA...It's not a GROPE...it's a Freedom Pat!

They generally only cover information controlled by health care entities and health care workers. Outside of that they do not apply. Once the info is released by the family to anyone they lose control of it. From the posts it appears there was poor decision making involved on everyones part. The driver,owner,track and sanctioning body should review their decisions if the posts are accurate.