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This ain't SCF Carl, there's a lot more vocal wingless fans over here. I go to more wingless sprint races than winged nowadays but not just for the racing, the winged scene has been drying out a bit around here for a few years (but it seems that Farmington is getting some decent car counts so far this season and I may make a trip up there pretty soon). Anyone that had been going to Haubstadt the last few years when Clayton was racing there could tell you that he sure as hell wasn't letting off the throttle halfway down the straights. In that great race b/t he and Stanbrough three years ago, Jon was making some divebomb slides on DC trying to get the lead back. To run it in that hard without biking it is quite a feat.

Go watch a good 410 wingless race on a bullring rather than a half-mile then get back with us.

The biggest purse EVER in sprint car racing was non-wing or wing? Break that down! Wonder why they chose to pay so much money for cars that don't get the crowds? Get a clue!

That million dollar purse race at Eldora was a fan vote deal. Ballot boxes have been stuffed before and will be stuffed again. And that was just one race. A good excuse for lower purse payout in USAC is that usually both the sprints and midgets run on same night, they have to pay a decent purse to each group, even though its still small in comparison to winged racing. Sometimes all three divisions run. If I remember, Jac Haud won the million dollar deal with his share $250,000 for 1st, Stevie Smith maybe 2nd or was it Hodnet, all three with heavy winged background though I remember seeing Jac racing silver crown cars on pavement on tv a few Saturday afternoons on ESPN, along with Blaney, Swindell and a few other winged guys. Those were the good old days. Now I'm the old man making that statement. After re-reading my post, I'm thinking there was a big-time non-wing guy in the top three. Maybe I'll google it. Hate to admit it, but I've never been to a non-wing race.

Lawlessness + liberalism = HELL -  NYC, Detroit, Chicago, 
Seattle, LA  Who the H runs those cities. 

LMFAO.....Same old debates, same old arguments. Biggest purse was a non-wing race only to draw more cars because they thought few would be able to compete with the top winged guys. A good choice for that reason...but if memory serves the winged guys pretty much ruled things. (and yes I know most had some nonwing experience but still were better known as winged guys) Hell Stevie Smith was great and he never ran nonwinged before that. (and no I don't think the winged guys would have done as well on a small track, I understand that argument as well). So Maradamx3 maybe you should get a clue.

Ask a driver who races both to be honest and he likely will tell you racing nonwing is easier (on the big tracks anyhow) because you have more time to make a move/decision. Things happen MUCH faster in a winged car. (I don't know, never drove either, but many have answered the question that way when I asked) Seems a lot of soso winged guys have success running nonwing, but how many nonwingers do well with a wing? Clayton was sooo good nonwinged but yet he chose to run with the wings where he had little success, wonder why? Go to a USAC race anywhere they run both and go to a WoO race at the same venue and see the difference in crowds. So much for the everyone would prefer nonwinged racing given the choice.

I too have seen great races in both styles. (shitty ones too!) Bottom line is that bullrings and format is what it's all about. WoO format sucks and big tracks often do as well. Don't blame just the wings.

I'd seen Jac run without a wing on Manzy's big half mile at the Western World many many time's, Sammy too, and what's the suprise? The really good one's can run them both, and a lot of the older drivers have. The only suprise out of that deal was Stevie Smith, he put on a big old right rear that no one thought would work, and just gassed it!

Brad Sweet seemed to do OK. I thought you had to have a lot of winged experience to run like that with with the outlaws. Didn't he get a couple of top 5 finishes's?

Have you noticed how no one has touched my question about going to what's being called, "the big time", nowaday's.

My track Manzy was a BIG 1/2 mile and it wasn't easy by a long shot for the non wing boy's, but it sure was scary to more than just a few. Ascot, one of my other tracks, a 1/2 mile wasn't a easy track to get around either.

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

Sorry, but the TV coverage argument is pretty lame. If you consider the history of sprint car racing on TV there has been much more non-wing on the TV dating back to the 70's. The WoO hasn't exactly set the world on fire when it comes to TV ratings or coverage. It isn't a wing or non-wing issue, it's sprint car racing on TV is boring. 20 minutes of racing and 2 1/2 hours of interviews and commercials doesn't exactly make for entertaining TV. Of course, we could another good argument started on that one I'm sure!

Nope, I'm not in need of the clue. You guys are - the ones that can't seem to stay on topic. Hard to keep that adhd under control huh? This thread isn't about the drivers - READ the posts. Try to control the attention span long enough to respond to the topic. Go back under your rock.

Well, actually, that is what make "wings suck", the DRIVERS of Sprint Cars. They are the one's that prove this statement correct. I know, that was a harsh thing to say, sorry. I do love all types of Sprint Car racing, Winged or not, but find watching Sprint Cars more fun and exciting than winged Sprint Cars. Our local track will host both Canyon Region and Southwest Region ASCS action several times this year, and because of "other" commitments (work). I have to pick the one's I will attend strategically, and surprise, surprise, they will be Canyon Region events (sprint car). But if I can, I will gladly be at the SW Region one's too! Everyone needs to make an effort to attend either type, and support your local RACER.

Sean,

Tucson

!!SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL TRACKS!!
!!Get Well Shane!! 

Winged sprint cars have surreal speed...that's why more fans prefer them.

Non winged sprints are great, just like modifieds, late models, stock cars, etc, etc, etc...

The wing puts them in a league of their own... 150 mph sideways.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

"150 mph sideways" I've seen a number of winged sptint car races but I don't ever remember that. That doesn't mean all winged races are bad, they just don't go sideways..

Grady

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1. Seldom do winged cars go sideways anymore. Why? Huge so-called "advances" in wings, tires and engines. 2. Track prep has become a lost art to many, as these cars really prefer a hard, slick surface that takes rubber 3. A whole generation of fans have been brought up and marketed a concept that somehow winged cars and participants are superior; the good ones can drive both 4. much of this wing fever has its origins from when Knoxville went winged after fatalities in the earl 80's and the fact that it became the self-proclaimed capital of sprint car racing via TV 5. There are those who do not seem to understand they are being "Madison Avenued" by marketers with little real understanding of the roots of sprint car racing. All of this seems analogous to those people who are NASCAR fans because of marketing, TV, etc. with little or no long term experience with racing. For a little intervention therapy try Indiana Sprint Week!

Years ago, Phoenix had the Copper Classic in January.

I would go over the help on a Super and a Winston SW Tour car.

The REAL reason I went was to see the Manzy show on Friday and Saturday nights.

To me, there is nothing more exciting than watching a non-wing car on a big track.

I also enjoy Perris...great food...but Manzy provided some great races.

I will add I have seen some very exciting "wangers" too.

TSA...It's not a GROPE...it's a Freedom Pat!

Been listening to this debate for years and it ain't changed. Everyone likes what they like. For me WINGS are the best with big motors underneath them.

Same here. I've been to a few non-wing races on smaller and larger tracks. It's OK but I just don't get the hype.

A

Why would you say that? Everyone know's that Manzy was a BIG 1/2 mile and close to a 5/8. True the Vermeil Classic has been a great show, and huge success. I'd like to go, but as you must know the tracks fairly flat, and it sure ain't no Manzy.

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

tying to stay on topic, I must agree, wings suck the car to the track making them much faster than cars without them, but after that all personal choices as the wing vs no wing are really wildly different machines, if slow unpredictable loose and you say driver make the biggest difference then go watch motorcycle race on the dirt now theres backing it in and hanging it out, just like short track and big track the stlyes really are hugely different these differences are what make sprint racing sport grreat to me

Two weeks ago I saw the AMA national flat trackers run on the only 1 mile track they'll be running on this year west of the Mississippi, Yavapai Down's in Prescott Valley AZ. There's no "backing it in, and hanging it out" on a one mile track..They'll be back in October for two show's, one on a short track.

Staying on topic is not a problem for me, I don't know how... Actually this has been a good thread in respect to the fact that there has not been a lot of name calling and all that.

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

sideways = sideforce, can't have one without the other...

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com