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Maxim and J&J started out small. Maybe it's just me, but I get tired of seeing a 24 car starting line up with 20 Maxims in it. I like to see some other chassis manufacturers gain some success. It's almost like Monkey see, Monkey do.That being said, I could never figure out why more teams don't copy the Schaltz package of J&J, Shaver and Afco?? I liked the days when you saw a variety of different chassises out there, ie Schnee, Eagle, JEI etc.

I beleive that Ron Shaver builds motors for Tony Stewert motorsports exclusivly. We run a Maxim because that is what the driver is comfortable in. We tried an Eagle didn't work for us. Each indivdual driver is going to like differnt cars.

Not disagreeing with you. I understand it is a driver's preference and I am not knocking Maxim. They would not be as big or as sucessful as they are if they did not turn out a good product. It's funny, but you do not see teams change chassis very often. I know last year in Central Pa, it was very big news when Fred Rahmer switched to a Maxim after being a J&J loyalist for over 20 years. Greg Hodnet, Daryn Pittman and the #27 team(which Tyler Walker will race for this season) all started the year with JEI chassis but switched over to Maxims as well before the year was out. But generally, teams stay with the same chassis for years. I guess it is up to the other manufacturers to turn out a superior product before teams are even willing to give it a try.

The whole deal with Hodnett, Pittman and the Heffner teams switching were raw deals.

First, Hodnett loved his car and wanted to keep it but Lee Stauffer wants and gets his way with every team he works for. He wanted a switch to Maxim and he got one. Plus, he's good friends with Chuck Merrill.

Pittman came to Keen and hated his JEI car from the beginning, even after bringing Matt Anderson on and becoming considerably faster. This team was the ONLY team to get a chassis build with the V nose, not the X nose. When the chassis were ordered, they were told, but didn't listen.

The Heffner team completely destroyed a JEI at the beginning of the year(pics on their website) and the cockpit held up well. Any driver who was in a car like that after it was wrecked would have came out with the same injuries as Sean. Heffner made the call to switch to Maxim cars. Now that Tyler is in it and his ongoing relationship for about 12-13 years with Barry, I wouldn't be surprised to see another switch in the 27 garage.

speek for yourself, Ive wrecked two U.S. manufactured chassis well beyond repair and witnessed several more of all (previously listed) U.S. chassis destroyed beyond (financhally feesable) to repair, unfortunatly chassis are a disposable item (at one point of damage) regardless of manufacture, the idea with XXX, proubly is, to cycle out the damaged (XXX) or ??? chassis and start with another fresh one, at the XXX price its proubly more sensible to teardown,and reassembel new , rather than a clipped -bandaided or repaired chassis ? dont wear blinders next to your eyes because somebody told you so, Most successfull buisnessmen dont distract thier time throwing stones , if a buisness can do some of the following -produce a superior product, follow up with tech support,market a affordable item, take your customers out for steak once a week ? whatever? if you taylor to your customers needs the rewards will speek for themselves, "Dont hate me because im cheap,hate me because im affordable " I still dont run a XXX chassis ,but, I dont hate them, in fact, Im going to Mark's website after I complete this post just to see what might be new and of interest to me ?, the fact that people see a Chassis manufactured overseas as totally out of the sprint orientation is confusing to me, its global economy , step into the 20th century, Look at your keyboard, dont bother pick up the phone, maybe we should discuss this over smoke signals?

I never said those chassis couldn't be bent or destroyed upon recognition. I have seen a XXX ride a wall and take a slow roll over and be totally destroyed. I have seen all the rest of the chassis do the same with nothing wrong except a scratch. My binders have been off for quite a while and I see things before I assume things. Nobody mentions anything and makes me believe anything. I see it with my own eyes before I talk about things, bad or good.

BTW, a keyboard and a phone aren't going to protect your head while doing 100 plus miles per hour.

Agree on all three accounts. Lethal Lee has always been a Maxim loyalist. Before he came on board Hodnett was starting to get the JEI going. If I am not mistaken, the Keen team not only switched chassis, but crew chiefs, engines and shocks when Pittman came on board. You are also right, somehow Heffner thought Sean Michael's injuries were a result of the JEI frame not holding up, that and the fact that Matt Anderson left to go to the Keen team. Funny but the team's only win last year with Keith Kauffman on board came in an older J&J chassis and not the new Maxim.

it is what it is, your point is valent as well as mine, I could go on and proubly state facts of trama but for the sake of families involved I will not, duplicating impacts of a wreck are almost impossible, all im saying is the XXX chassis (although many would like to belive) it is not a terrible chassis , I believe the company has trown out the evidence of here say to eliminate all speculation and rumor, the important thing regardless chassis is the greenhouse (center section) - halo and uprights stay structuraly safe upon a unfortunate load , at some point the chassis is destroyed and if you walk away you either used up your eight lives and got lucky , or your chassis was successfull, what evidence of wall thickness,tubing,welded joints, notching-bends, (any chassis construction tech) do you have to present to me that the chassis was terrible and the wreck wasnt

shaver builds motors for more than TSR. he only builds the TSR motors for the 15. ron builds motors for plenty of non winged guys in socal as well as still building motors for bk, bud and other norcal winged guys.

I will not get into a pissing match with you but go to the website and the specs are right on there. Also, this will be my LAST post on this XXX issue. I know why guys won't fix the cars and it's pretty self explanatory.

The man came out in warmups and was fast. Came out in his heat, came out of turn 2, rode the wall for maybe 30 feet and then went down on the left front, completely bending almost the whole left side of the car. Almost EVERY weld broke which should NEVER happen! If something is going to break, it should be infront of or behind the weld. Seen several other cars do the same thing, Maxim, J&J, JEI, and Eagle and not bend.

You're obviously the same idiot that goes by NUGS on the Williams Grove chat board. Please do everyone a favor and STFU!

I posted a while ago regarding to a U.S. named chassis that was involved in incident, however I did not see the incident or know of the caliber of wreck he was involved in , the chassis blew apart photos were avalible in the blog presented by the owner /driver, needless to say the post was deleted, some interesting posts were written prior to the deleted post such as the chassis possibly being clipped by a different builder? very possible?, so , with this in mind, lately I find alot of posts on here pointing fingers on items nobody seems to have fact on, untill proven ill keep to my opinion. no pissn match just lacking of proof to change my belief, Im assuming you know that Moly tubing will shatter if stressed quickley the amount of carbon present in moly effects the ductility of the tubing Ive also learned the construction process "used "can effect a welded joint and will effect the atoms correctly bonding in a tig weld , no pissn match here, Im just not easily convinced without proof , thats all ....

Buddy , thanks, ive often wondered about Rons out of TSR house cars, I guess ive always known Donnys stuff was Rons I didnt pay myuch attention to Kraigs? I dont recall seeing to many other winged cars with Rons stuff Sather ran 360's (I believe?) from his shop, I would imagine to get in line for a build would cost some serious $$$ Id imagine the 15 could keep him buisy beings they run nothing remotely soft, from Rons point of view I would try keep my eggs in one basket, who wouldnt... must be a few that can get the phone to ring?

What ever had happened to Rocket chassis building those XXX cars here in the states is that true? Also herd that XXX owns rocket or vise versa?

I belive the Rocket cars are more locally built and possibly stay close to thier region in WA , same car to my understanding? , same people, proubly just smaller production as compaired to XXX , just my observation,.

Hooka60,

I am the owner of XXX. Please send me the name of the racer/team you are referring to. We have NEVER had any reports of any welds breaking on our cars.

If what you say is true, we would like to investigate this chassis. If there is an issue that is putting racers safety in jeoprady, we certainly want to know about it. Being ex-racers ourselves, having many close friends racing our equipment, not to mention hundreds of racers currently racing our chassis; safety is our number 1 priority.

Email me at [email protected]. It will be kept confidential.

Thanks, Mark

Where exactly are your chassis produced? I have been told you are making them here know in the states is that true? Also were are you getting the tubing for these cars? Hope I didn't come off wrong for asking these questions.

So they are disposable "one time use" chassis? Interesting.

Cheers!

dispose / the power or athority to dispose or use of as one chooses, Hmm, I dint say "one time use" ?

78sprint,

We produce most of our chassis offshore in our production facility in China. But we also build custom chassis in our WA state shop for those that prefer that. The safety/quality/performance of either is the same. We have been as transparent as possible with where the chassis are manufactured, as we feel racers are intelligent enough to make their own decisions of what product they are comfortable with. This is something rare in the industry as many companies have product made offshore without informing their customers.

The chassis have proven themselves over the last 4 years; We have sold over 1,000 chassis worldwide during that time. In 2009 alone, XXX chassis won 18 championships, and 140 features. But, I think what our customers say about our chassis (and parts) speak volumes and truly is what matters most to us as a company. You can see them at http://www.xxxraceco.com/testimonials%20view.htm

As for XXX parts, probably about 50% of them are produced offshore, and 50% are produced locally (some by us, some by other local manufactuers). We source product based on safety and quality first, performance second and price point third (savings that we pass along to the racer).

The tubing we use in all our chassis is milled to our strict specifications. We have enlisted the talent of some of the best personnel in the race car industry, along with countless metallurgists to arrive at what we believe is the best 4130 in the industry today. Tubing from every mill run is tested in independent labs throughout the US. And, those test results are posted on our website for your review: http://www.xxxraceco.com/chassis%20metal%20test%20results.htm. The tubing has proven itself so good infact that we have had many sanctioning bodies visit us in WA to determine why our chassis bend and not break in bad wrecks. Of note, very little tubing is milled in the US anymore. Even tubing used in US produced chassis most likely originated from China or Germany (you'd have to see the mill certs to know).

You don't "come off wrong for asking these questions". Our company mission statement is "to supply valued customers with unsurpassed quality racing parts at an exceptional price to make auto racing safe, more competitive and less cost prohibitive.". We simply love racing and work towards that mission everyday, so have nothing to hide.

Mark