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With all of the rule, tire, changes in 410 racing, is it possible that soon 360s will be faster with a better wing and better tires?

No. Unless they take the wing totally off or run kart tires on the right rear.

Theres no replacment for displacement.

The older I get, the faster I used to be.

Jeff Swindell already beat the All Stars with a 360. If they unhooked them enough, a 360 would be competitive at most 3/8's mile tracks across the country, especially during the feature when the money is on the line.

 
 
 
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Don't cherry pick the info. He was being beat soundly by a 410 that got erased by a lapper on a quarter mile.

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Dustin Daggett has won a 410 show with a 360 at a 3/8 mile track in Michigan a few years ago, he also started 10th at hartford speedway 410 show, which is a half mile, with his back up car and weaker 360 and finished 2nd. So goes to show horsepower isn't everthing. this was 3+ years ago!

Is this the win you were talking about, he had a 410 in the car. As far as Jeff Swindell, thats Jeff Swindell, yes on occasion there will be sometimes where a good 360 will do alright on a small dry slick track. It's just to hard to make up 150 horsepower no matter what surface.

The older I get, the faster I used to be.

Not the night he was talking about. . .again, if you read what he posted he said he had a 360 in the car and finished 2nd (Which is wrong he finished 4th). You sound even more retarted when you don't READ the post you are trying to bash

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thanks thats right i knew he came from atleast tenth but it could have been farther, i was there Jerry Slade begged him to run with them as he was there for the SOD portion, thought it was second but that was awhile ago. he won the SOD feature that night.

the win was at winston speedway near rothberry mi

As far as Jeff Swindell, thats Jeff Swindell, yes on occasion there will be sometimes where a good 360 will do alright on a small dry slick track. It's just to hard to make up 150 horsepower no matter what surface.

The late models don't have an engine displacement rule and no one runs a big block... They are TRACTION limited, not horsepower limited like sprint cars. A 900hp late model doesn't gain you anything but nondrivability.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
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True, but that is late models and we were talking about sprintcars. I think most of the late model guys run a stroker motor anyway, which gives you the horsepower without the weight of a big block and rpm limitations. I never said that a 360 cannot be competitive on certain track conditions, just not faster as the opening post asked.

CMiCamfone just curious as to whom you are calling retarted.

The older I get, the faster I used to be.

True, but equally as important are the cylinder heads!

Throttle - Not certain, but I think he was calling you retarded.

As for the original question, I think it would take far less than a Kart tire to take the cu. in. out of the equation. Track conditions vary lap times FAR more than cubic inches ever do. There are tracks that run the WoO once a year and they run lap times slower than the 360's that run there every week. what does that tell you? If they take away enough traction from the 410's, the YES a 360 could be faster. The question is not about power, it's about power to the ground.

Yeah, well I was exaggerating a little on the tire thing. I like to know what track the Outlaws went to that the 360's ran faster on a weekly bases? Anyway the original post asked if a 360 would soon be faster than a 410, the answer is no, no matter if your retarded or not. If that was the case then you would see more 360's racing with 410's across the country and at bigger events/purses, which we don't.

Anyway I was just answering in my opinion, everybody has one and sometimes they'll be different.

I'm not retarted just a little slow.

The older I get, the faster I used to be.

No dude, the post is not asking about things currently, they asked if the 410's (not 360's) keep changing tire and wing rules, IS IT POSSIBLE that the 360's could be faster with BETTER WINGS and BETTER TIRES.

The answer is simple. As soon as a 410 can't get more than 700 HP to the ground without spinning the tires, they will be equal. So, is it possible to unhook a 410? Yes. Will it happen to that extent? Who know, probably not.

As for the lap times, how much slower do you think a 360 is? I'd say .75 to 1.5 seconds depending on track size. Havent you ever seen a track dry out? Damn, the cars slow down 3 seconds a lap sometimes.

Check out Mylaps.com:

Here's the Outlaw show at Ohsweken: http://www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=1242851

Then do a search for Corr/Pak sprints. It will bring up 4 events. Each one had faster lap times for the 360's. Don't get you panties in a bunch, i'm not saying 360's are faster than the outlaws, just showing what a huge speed difference track conditions (traction) make.

Done.

The older I get, the faster I used to be.

this year at knoxville both classes ran time trials the same night and the 360s were within 3/10ths of the 410s. now with the 410 series' wanting to unhook the cars and the ascs keeping theirs hooked up. i think it will be interesting

In the end, though, it was Dave Blaney's words that were repeated to describe where the sport needs to go. "It doesn't need to be 410 racing," he said. "It doesn't need to be 360 racing. It needs to be Sprint Car racing."

And with that, the unified Sprint Car Summit was adjourned with the group agreeing to more discussions and a continuous review of the progress being made to ensure winged Sprint Car racing remains the premier style of racing on dirt tracks around the world...

 
 
 
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That was July 19, 2006.

Let's look at all the improvements that were made since that meeting......flat wings...CZ

ASCS has at least forged ahead with a 16" RR tire. If they leave things go long enough there will eventually be one class. We'll see what happens this year. The Outlaws will have ten cars following them on their own tire deal...lol. Sooner or later a hundred race teams across the country aren't going to have enough veto power to hold back the other 1500.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com