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I was wondering what was different about Schnee's 2 degree car, and if ayone had any feedback on it's performance.

KS

the engine angle is changed taking a few degrees (less angle out of the U Joint) , alot of drivers up here use Brians cars and I havent heard anything negative yet, Im still not 100% sure how this makes a significant change versus the standard (level) motor location, Im full of questions and felt I never got a usefull answer?, maybe somebody on here can clear up this VooDoo myth? , any new (fresh) chassis in my eyes will (90% of the time) feel better than the old, im still on the sidelines on this one, I believe Maxim has this same theory brewing ?

Maxim already has had these out for a couple years, we had one last year & don't believe the driver was crazy about it. Seemed a little more work to make it work & some of the outlaw teams we talked to have said this also.

The only reason i asked is I bought a used Schnee car, and noticed a few differences when i started measuring. It was originally built in 2002, but was clipped by Brian I believe in 2008 from the motor plate forward, but he did'nt start with the 2* cars until this year (I think?) The motor is tilted back approximately 1/4", and the front torsion tubes are angled in slightly on the RF corner. I had the chassis on the table and the car is square, just those things were different from what i had a few years ago. I know alot of guys up north swear by his cars, and I've talked to him a few times and he's a really nice guy, I just wanted some opinions. Thanks guys!

KS

Every Trostle chassis from 1962 on had the engine tilted. The 1977 and 80 Nats winners had it, the cars Wolfgang dominated with in 1985/86 had it. Bob's theory was, he had done it drag racing to get bite on the start, why not get bite for the sprint car, plus, it kept the drive line angle straighter. I believe other builders got away from it as cars got more and more hooked up. We had wedges behind the motor plate of our J&J, 360 - Jack recommended them for short tracks. Took them out and driver felt like car wasn't as tight on the big tracks. It's easy to get a 360 stuck too tight these days. BUT a 410 might have the horsepower to pull the tighter car.

larry the 2degree chassie was used to hook the car up better in the dry slick back in the day. of a harder tire an steel block motorplus running more bar split.

The changes to the chassis you guys are talking about have been tried in the northeast DIRT modified div. since the late 80's. The new style Maxim's that have more flex in the front end are a copy of a TEO mod chassis.

the differance while standing looking at the car is definetly noticeable, significantly when you get your headers mounted, In order to re position the mid plate without shims of some sort,Brian would have had to replace the front uprights in the clip process, has the half box mount been added as well as a different upper engine mount tabs ( allow for better PWR STR pump clearance)? , I know Brian changed a few things from 05-07 ,then of course with the 2-3 degree deal recently, I belive the front tubes have been moved up as well ,as some changes to the ladder location, the RF being pulled in is news to me but would obviously work as a stiffer bar rate, Im pretty sure all or any options to fit a drivers taste could be specified on Order , Talking with Brian, he's said, some guys have run better after the car was clipped (go figure) IMO Brians stuff is A1 craftsmanship, nice cars and run respectably well.

it is not uncommon for any car to handle different (sometimes better) after it has been clipped or had tubes replaced. any time you cut a car apart you unstress it. when you weld it back together it can react different.

to indy and beyond!!

A four-bar, is a 4-bar, is a 4-bar. Have you ever heard of "re-inventing the wheel"? Makes for a good conversation piece. Boil it down and you still have the old buck board design frame. Same as it was 30 years ago. If you hang all the good components on it you'll have a top shelf race car. Hang on average components and you'll have what the guy parked next to you in the pits has. Just my one cent,,

Take Care

Chassis geomitry is interesting, yes, the traditional car is still most common, I think your forgetting If a serious driver/team doesnt keep up with small changes , ( and something does seem to work better) youll find yourself lapped traffic . Ive wittnessed it , and some things work for different drivers , Just my 2 cents.

The uprights are still original, I can tell where it's been cut and welded. As for half box mounts, there are none and I don't believe the engine mounts are any different ( don't know anything about the car before I bought it, and the guy I got it from did'nt seem to know much either. All I know is what I learned from Brian from a couple brief conversations) I appreciate all the input, it's almost like when you're at the track and ask a question, everyone has a different but good answer... most of the time! haha, no seriously it's cool to watch the snowball effect on here. Thanks !

KS

I would have thought Brian would have the chassis # ,and log/history on that particular repair/alteration just FYI? , goodluck

So, if ive got Kinser parked on one side and Schatz nesseled on the other " Ive got no chance !" LOL, just stating the obvious.

DD,

If you were pitted next to these two dudes at any one time, you would be doing a schedule, that you wouldn't be able to be here pecking on the keyboard,,,like Moui!,,, Just stating the obvious Dude... BTW: What about going to 4 degree shims? Only downside,you'd need to cut the length of the header collectors so they would not be dragging in the dirt,,,

Take Care

Barry, and your point was? huh, kinda funney you bring it up for FYI, I have a fella that helps me (on my car that is ),kinda a computor goo roo, on the way to Knox (mind you im behind the wheel ) we tunned in the "masters" via hoseheads radio ,connected throught the FM transmitter and relayed into the (little bitty Silverado) speaker system , later we were looking for our exit in Des Moines, Oe look,we have a laptop? humm , I think you get the idea? Alot more popular drivers read this board and choose not to type , or well, maybe thier typing isnt too well (mine isnt the best , again OBVIOUSLY) so dont bust my chops, Im proubly one of you , I just happen to have a sickness for driving, and yes I happen to have taken one typing class , well kinda helps,, pipe it .

as many have said the 2 deg. motor tilt will hook the car up harder. standard like maxim uses is 1 1/2 deg. we love our DRC with a 3 deg. motor tilt, it hooks up real hard. every time we put that car together it runs good except for the end of this year it had a bent tube. maxim builds alota non wing cars with 3 deg. but select few wing cars(wouldn't build me 1 with my deal at the time)

B.J. Irwin

Irwin Motorsports