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September 11, 2009 at
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In case you haven't't heard, Richard Petty's cars will run Roush Yates Fords next season in Sprint Cup. I know, NASCAR news who cares right? However there could be a trickle down effect from this merger.
As part of this new deal, Kasey Kahne will now drive Ford powered cars. Is it possible that Kahne's open wheel teams could run Ford power in the future? Roush Yates is currently building a Ford 360 motor, and perhaps now this would give them a reason to jump into 410 sprints. This type of move would also fall in line with Ford Racing's alleged emphasis on grassroots dirt track racing
As a Ford fanatic I would love to see some big name teams running the Blue Oval, especially on the WoO trail. Is this a faulty line of reasoning? Wishful thinking on my part?
Just something to think about.
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September 11, 2009 at
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Posted By: Moses on September 11 2009 at 08:03:48 AM
In case you haven't't heard, Richard Petty's cars will run Roush Yates Fords next season in Sprint Cup. I know, NASCAR news who cares right? However there could be a trickle down effect from this merger.
As part of this new deal, Kasey Kahne will now drive Ford powered cars. Is it possible that Kahne's open wheel teams could run Ford power in the future? Roush Yates is currently building a Ford 360 motor, and perhaps now this would give them a reason to jump into 410 sprints. This type of move would also fall in line with Ford Racing's alleged emphasis on grassroots dirt track racing
As a Ford fanatic I would love to see some big name teams running the Blue Oval, especially on the WoO trail. Is this a faulty line of reasoning? Wishful thinking on my part?
Just something to think about.
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I thought I read on this very forum a while back that KKR had already switched to Chevy engines.
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September 11, 2009 at
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September 11, 2009 at
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Posted By: Moses on September 11 2009 at 08:03:48 AM
In case you haven't't heard, Richard Petty's cars will run Roush Yates Fords next season in Sprint Cup. I know, NASCAR news who cares right? However there could be a trickle down effect from this merger.
As part of this new deal, Kasey Kahne will now drive Ford powered cars. Is it possible that Kahne's open wheel teams could run Ford power in the future? Roush Yates is currently building a Ford 360 motor, and perhaps now this would give them a reason to jump into 410 sprints. This type of move would also fall in line with Ford Racing's alleged emphasis on grassroots dirt track racing
As a Ford fanatic I would love to see some big name teams running the Blue Oval, especially on the WoO trail. Is this a faulty line of reasoning? Wishful thinking on my part?
Just something to think about.
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Is it possible that Kahne's open wheel teams could run Ford power in the future?
Sure, anything's possible - but not until someone, or Ford, decides to manufacture and develop an aluminum 410 motor. Don't forget, the current aluminum "Chevy" 410 is based on a 50 year old design. While Chevy and GM never dreamed of the current state of aftermarket development and parts in the current motor(there's not a GM part on most "Chevy" 410's), the fact remains that it took 50 years and a lot of buyers/users to get to this point. So while someone may develop an aluminum Ford 410, it will take widespread acceptance(read buying/using) for it to be sustained in the marketplace.
Not saying that it won't happen....just pointing out that it will take a while and some $$$ before its really successful...
Chuck.....
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September 11, 2009 at
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Posted By: racrfan on September 11 2009 at 08:32:16 AM
I thought I read on this very forum a while back that KKR had already switched to Chevy engines.
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You better check out the forum more often because KKR did run Chevy's one weekend at Williams Grove and both drivers used provisionals. They since have been back to running Mopars even tho KKR doesn't get any sponsorship money from Mopar.
Let's hope they stay with Mopar and not Ford. Anybody else still remember how much trouble Jeff Swindell had with Fords when he drove the red 104+ car??
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September 11, 2009 at
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September 11, 2009 at
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Posted By: Dude Fan on September 11 2009 at 10:46:00 AM
You better check out the forum more often because KKR did run Chevy's one weekend at Williams Grove and both drivers used provisionals. They since have been back to running Mopars even tho KKR doesn't get any sponsorship money from Mopar.
Let's hope they stay with Mopar and not Ford. Anybody else still remember how much trouble Jeff Swindell had with Fords when he drove the red 104+ car??
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Ford would be successful overnight. Anywhere there has been a Ford used in a sprint car for the last 45 years with decent talent behind the wheel and wrench, it is a car to beat. From Bud Grimm decades ago to Luna, to Beast's champ cars, to Hebing and Barger today in ESS. Luna's month old Ford ran 4th at its first Knoxville Nationals. Mopar hasn't done any improving on their stuff for 5 years and one of their cars is the fastest in the country as I write this. The idea you have to run a chevy to be competitive is a cancer that has held our sport captive since 1955. Karl Kinser has more talent than 3/4s of the current WoO mechanics combined and a Ford with an average wrench and multiple drivers was right on his heels for 10 years. Since chevyitis seems to be as bad as ever, Ford's involvement probably won't happen. If KKR thought a chevy was needed to improve upon thier best year ever, we will most likely be condemned to the same box as usual. For our sport's sake, I pray I am wrong. Anyone that enjoys the mechancial side of racing is hardly interested anymore with the carbon copys at the track these days.
Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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September 11, 2009 at
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Correct me if I'm wrong,but isn't K.K. in his last year of his contract in the bud car? Meaning he could still drive a mopar next year for some other team..
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September 11, 2009 at
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My point is Roush Yates is currently building Ford 360 sprint car motors. How much would it take to build a 410 version? And if Kahne is now a Ford driver, I would imagine that Ford would want that branding all the way to Kahne's grassroots teams.
It doesn't seem like it would take much to make a Ford sprint car motor.
Don't judge Ford's performance off of the Two Winners racing effort. When they switched to Chevy they ran just as poorly. Luna's Fords were as good as anyone and I don't see why that couldn't happen again.
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Posted By: Moses on September 11 2009 at 02:39:57 PM
My point is Roush Yates is currently building Ford 360 sprint car motors. How much would it take to build a 410 version? And if Kahne is now a Ford driver, I would imagine that Ford would want that branding all the way to Kahne's grassroots teams.
It doesn't seem like it would take much to make a Ford sprint car motor.
Don't judge Ford's performance off of the Two Winners racing effort. When they switched to Chevy they ran just as poorly. Luna's Fords were as good as anyone and I don't see why that couldn't happen again.
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You are making way too much sense Moses. Something else to note is the fact that many of the Fords that have won have had parts right from a Ford dealer's counter. Luna as well as the recent dominant USAC champ cars had FoMoCo heads. Not ultra trick megamessaged peices like the guys they embarrased.
Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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September 11, 2009 at
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Posted By: minthess on September 11 2009 at 11:46:54 AM
Ford would be successful overnight. Anywhere there has been a Ford used in a sprint car for the last 45 years with decent talent behind the wheel and wrench, it is a car to beat. From Bud Grimm decades ago to Luna, to Beast's champ cars, to Hebing and Barger today in ESS. Luna's month old Ford ran 4th at its first Knoxville Nationals. Mopar hasn't done any improving on their stuff for 5 years and one of their cars is the fastest in the country as I write this. The idea you have to run a chevy to be competitive is a cancer that has held our sport captive since 1955. Karl Kinser has more talent than 3/4s of the current WoO mechanics combined and a Ford with an average wrench and multiple drivers was right on his heels for 10 years. Since chevyitis seems to be as bad as ever, Ford's involvement probably won't happen. If KKR thought a chevy was needed to improve upon thier best year ever, we will most likely be condemned to the same box as usual. For our sport's sake, I pray I am wrong. Anyone that enjoys the mechancial side of racing is hardly interested anymore with the carbon copys at the track these days.
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When Casey Luna (D) New Mexico quit his racing operation and Dave Blaney took over he went to a chevy. Havent heard of a 410 ford since. Used to be one at Knoxville (7) that would run 3 hot laps before it started to blow oil on the track.
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September 11, 2009 at
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Posted By: minthess on September 11 2009 at 11:46:54 AM
Ford would be successful overnight. Anywhere there has been a Ford used in a sprint car for the last 45 years with decent talent behind the wheel and wrench, it is a car to beat. From Bud Grimm decades ago to Luna, to Beast's champ cars, to Hebing and Barger today in ESS. Luna's month old Ford ran 4th at its first Knoxville Nationals. Mopar hasn't done any improving on their stuff for 5 years and one of their cars is the fastest in the country as I write this. The idea you have to run a chevy to be competitive is a cancer that has held our sport captive since 1955. Karl Kinser has more talent than 3/4s of the current WoO mechanics combined and a Ford with an average wrench and multiple drivers was right on his heels for 10 years. Since chevyitis seems to be as bad as ever, Ford's involvement probably won't happen. If KKR thought a chevy was needed to improve upon thier best year ever, we will most likely be condemned to the same box as usual. For our sport's sake, I pray I am wrong. Anyone that enjoys the mechancial side of racing is hardly interested anymore with the carbon copys at the track these days.
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I remember Barger's Ford getting whipped by a 1997 chassis/used engine combo last year at Fonda. Both started on the front row, and Jason Barney smoked him. Its a shame that Jason doesn't run the full ESS tour. Last year he had 5 wins in just 14 starts between the ASCS Patriots and ESS. But, if you look at Mark Martin's results since switching from a Ford to a Chevy, I think that is why Chevy is such a "cancer". I would take the Ford over the Mopar though.
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September 11, 2009 at
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Roush/Yates 410 is already done. You will see it at lowes in November.
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Posted By: rdbpower on September 11 2009 at 05:13:58 PM
Roush/Yates 410 is already done. You will see it at lowes in November.
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On display or on the track and if so in which car?
Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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September 11, 2009 at
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fords if i remember right bobby davis won the the outlaw championship i year.
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September 11, 2009 at
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Jeff Swindell ran a ford in the 7tw after Blaney. With very little luck with it, I might add!!!!!!
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Roush/Yates 410 is already done. You will see it at lowes in November.
Kasey sure seems happy to be going back to Ford in NAPCAR.....do you see what I see????
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Them Pettys and Sprint Cars...
Yeah, how did that National Sprint Car League deal work out anyway?
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Posted By: minthess on September 11 2009 at 11:46:54 AM
Ford would be successful overnight. Anywhere there has been a Ford used in a sprint car for the last 45 years with decent talent behind the wheel and wrench, it is a car to beat. From Bud Grimm decades ago to Luna, to Beast's champ cars, to Hebing and Barger today in ESS. Luna's month old Ford ran 4th at its first Knoxville Nationals. Mopar hasn't done any improving on their stuff for 5 years and one of their cars is the fastest in the country as I write this. The idea you have to run a chevy to be competitive is a cancer that has held our sport captive since 1955. Karl Kinser has more talent than 3/4s of the current WoO mechanics combined and a Ford with an average wrench and multiple drivers was right on his heels for 10 years. Since chevyitis seems to be as bad as ever, Ford's involvement probably won't happen. If KKR thought a chevy was needed to improve upon thier best year ever, we will most likely be condemned to the same box as usual. For our sport's sake, I pray I am wrong. Anyone that enjoys the mechancial side of racing is hardly interested anymore with the carbon copys at the track these days.
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"Ford with an average wrench and multiple drivers was right on his heels for 10 years.?" Who are you implying is an average wrench?
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Posted By: Moses on September 11 2009 at 08:03:48 AM
In case you haven't't heard, Richard Petty's cars will run Roush Yates Fords next season in Sprint Cup. I know, NASCAR news who cares right? However there could be a trickle down effect from this merger.
As part of this new deal, Kasey Kahne will now drive Ford powered cars. Is it possible that Kahne's open wheel teams could run Ford power in the future? Roush Yates is currently building a Ford 360 motor, and perhaps now this would give them a reason to jump into 410 sprints. This type of move would also fall in line with Ford Racing's alleged emphasis on grassroots dirt track racing
As a Ford fanatic I would love to see some big name teams running the Blue Oval, especially on the WoO trail. Is this a faulty line of reasoning? Wishful thinking on my part?
Just something to think about.
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i think that Kasey will stay with mopar noticing all the success joey has had this year, #17 win last night at gold cup here in chico. having bud as his primary sponsor speaks volumes in the marketing aspect. dont think he will change to ford, doesn't make sense for his sprint car teams..
Ascot was the greatest of all time..
West Capital wasn't half bad either..
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September 12, 2009 at
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Tony Stewart's USAC teams didn't switch to Toyota when Joe Gibbs jumped ship.
I'll believe it when it happens.
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Posted By: butchknouse37 on September 12 2009 at 01:49:16 PM
Tony Stewart's USAC teams didn't switch to Toyota when Joe Gibbs jumped ship.
I'll believe it when it happens.
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Exactly....Don't forget that when Stewart's team was colored in blue Mopar CAMO, Tony ran chevy for Gibbs. Cup teams run what pays their bills----Sprint car teams run what pay their bills. Money talks!!!!!
do it in the dirt
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