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I know all the debates on Super Sprint verses ASCS at SFS is about to wear everybody out, there I said it and it only took one sentence Cody LMAO! Because it not going to happen anyway.

So why not change the Champ Sprints to non wing? If it is all about car counts from what I gather from some champ sprint car owners they say the biggest difference between champ and super sprint is the injection system and the dry sump. In the economic times that we live in now this is the class we need to be worried about IMO. I would be willing to bet if this was done the class would explode. And I mean change nothing but take the wings off and get your elbows up! So lets debate this subject.

 Randy       

       DIRT TRACKIN
"When it's wet slide it in"

Could we keep the Champs and just add a 305 wingless class? You can never have too many sprint cars.

"I'd pay $15 to watch a sprint car sit still."

Good idea but I feel like if they did that most of the champs would switch to the 305 non wing and it would kill the champs. Because today it's all about money. So with that said I just think a non wing champ show would be better than a 305 non wing show at SFS, not to say a 305 non wing is not a good show they are, but it's all about going faster and they already got what need in the champs. Spend their money on suspension parts and set up not build a different motor.

 Randy       

       DIRT TRACKIN
"When it's wet slide it in"

Brill's is starting a non-wing class next year. I guess it is going to a a econonmy sprint class. What I understand the engine is the same engine as the e-mod that runs out there. I am hearing somne names as well as finding some interest in that class.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

This was the debate years ago when Lanny took over at SFS. We went away from the 100" car and guys at the time had to baster-ed the 86" car to fit a clutch in. After a couple of years of a non wing modified, the ORA voted to put a wing on the two barrel class which was a huge debate. Some guys wanted it while others did not due to cost of buying wings. They called it a safety factor to have the wings put on in the event of a crash.

I think it would be a great to have a non wing 2 barrel class. As we saw the other night, non wing racing is very exciting.

I know a few drivers that would give it a try.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

right? I've been wandering why no track in this state has started a 305 class yet - they have flourished in the states immediately surrounding us.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

Good input guys keep it up thanks!

My next question would be," horsepower" verses champ,305,or e-mod type motors in non wing sprints witch would be a better show on a fast track like SFS and not break the car owners /drivers pocket book?

 Randy       

       DIRT TRACKIN
"When it's wet slide it in"

Don't make me put a hit out on you people wanting a non-wing class!

There are those that are scary enough running sprints cars with wings. Can you imagine some of them without one?

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

Sorry David I did think about that, and it is not my intent to hurt your bussiness in anyway. But with the car count falling every week in the champ class, there needs to besome kind of a fix to this class or it just might be gone completely.

 Randy       

       DIRT TRACKIN
"When it's wet slide it in"

WOW!!! Thats funny!!!!

 Randy       

       DIRT TRACKIN
"When it's wet slide it in"

Fan I have wondered the same. Esp using the Sprint Series of Texas rules. I know Whitworth can speak better on this deal . I thought if Brill's use these rules for his non wing class then it would be alot beetter. I know a driver that when I told him about Brill's non-wing class he asked where else do they run this class. When I said nowhere with Brill's rules he was not interested.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

I long for a 305 class IF they keep the engines stock. I cannot get excited when I see an ex-Phil Gressman 305 car for sale with a $15,000 motor (no offense to the guy on another message board trying to sell the ex-Phil Gressman car!)

To me, starter classes need to be for those that need laps and don't have big bankrolls. No doubt there will be those that can afford to race an ASCS car that will want to feel like a big dog and rule the roost in a 305 class. That always happens. But for the rest of the world, make the rules truly keep cost down.

First, don't try to run the same spec right rear as the higher class! It's always too tall for the horsepower the econo-engine puts out. With a wing and tall tire and down on power motor, the next thing you need is $1500 in Carrillo rods and a racing crank and blah, blah, blah and the next thing you know, you've got a $15,000 305 engine. I've sat through that drivers meeting at Woodson Park before. The idea that you can buy the higher class's pull offs is nice, but not at the expense of the bottom end of an econo-engine. The top dogs are going to buy a new tire anyway and those that don't have big budgets will buy their pull offs.

I like the wing for safety (crumple zone). If you run one, keep it small like an old IMCA or a multi-class mini sprint. No nose wing.

Second, non-wing cars like a different track than winged. It really takes two track preps, which when I ran wasn't a problem because we had two tracks. But apparently that ain't never gonna happen again, so...

Third, from a marketing standpoint, there needs to be a differentiator between classes that is obvious to the casual fan. Explaining to your neighbor that the difference between the to 86" wheelbase cars both with top and nose wings and 360 CID engines and the same sized tires is that one has fuel injection and a dry sump oiling system and the other has a 2BBL carb and a wet sump system is pretty weak. It needs to be visually different. No wing, smaller tire, different hood scoop, something.

HM

This is where I chime in----Put a splash of flavor on those puppies. 9 gallon tank from Smiley's(holds enough alcohol for a regular nights feature without wings and huge motors), and something that isn't so much like all the other cars.

Regardless of what modern racers say, I keep running across people in the mainstream that love the old looking cars!

W love the 305 class. It is very ecomical. You can get a good motor for around 7500.00. We run every other week and have I think 14 shows. 10 with wings and 4 without wings. We have run so far this year 8 shows and are still using the same tires that we started the year out with. Our motors are sealed by the SST (Smiley Sitton). The only thing I see wrong about Brill's deal is that you still have to run a methanol 2 barrell carb which isn't cheap and nowadays the Sport Mod motors cost wise are getting out of hand. These Sport Mod Motors are made to run on a dry slick racetrack. We were using our last years motor at SFS which was perfect for dry slick but the last couple of times it has been tacky and last Friday night we bent a valve and luckily didn't destroy the motor. Next Friday night we will be running non-wing in Grand Prairie Texas

Now THAT would be marketably different!

But don't go overboard just because Speedway still sells the Vicky body.

HM

Do we REALLY need a Vicky body? I know one would fit, but do we REALLY need a Vicky body?

Badass is not how much money you spend, but how you spend it.

What is the big deal in this country of being like everybody else in order to show individuality. I CAN BUY MY HOT DOGS AT HOME COMPLETE WITH FRIES, SHAKE, AND NASCAR.

GIMMEE WHAT I'LL PAY TO SEE.

I never went to a strip club that featured identically cloned girls. It was impossible in those days and it would have been a bad business ideer to begin with for those places.(they're tooo young fer me now!)

Women ACTUALLY stop and ask what my supermodified is, and I'm not a pretty boy! I don't have to drive, I can get by with just pulling one around to get noticed.

Modern day sprint car chassis under an old style Oklahoma supermodified body, it would work.

Dale Looper's car below. purty ain't it?