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I think its pretty clear the WoO are in a bit of trouble with only 12 full time travelling cars. Some things I think the Outlaws could do to improve car counts and competition would be increasing the payouts. Why go run with the Outlaws and run 10th for $1,800 when you can go run at Knoxville and win the race and get paid $3,000. Second I think the way they set up the dash is ridiculous. There are several ways to fix that. Third, I think a pill draw for the dash is stupid also. Finally I think that they seem to be a little inconsistent with the rules, take Saturday night for instance. Saldana comes out and blows his motor in hotlaps then is allowed to replace his motor and regain his position. That does not seem to make sense to me.

Im just curious what how other fans/drivers feel about this and what they think is wrong with the WoO because I want to see the sport grow and would hope that people take note that the fans aren't happy

For me the Outlawas have lost their luster. I would not be suprised if they all end up like T-mac and travel on their own for various reasons.

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A purse increase? LOL Where is the money going to come from? The Outlaws have priced out many smaller tracks as it is. Admission prices are already $30+ pretty much everywhere the Outlaws run. What do you want to charge for a grandstand ticket, $50?

Idk, maybe change the payout, it just seems screwy. Work a little harder for sponsorship, I'm not saying I have all the answers.

I spent my last $35 on them 2 years ago when I got to watch the track get prepared after the modifeds kept spinning out on the dry hard track. And oh yeah they were only 2 seconds off the track record in T.T.. Then after they watered down the track come feature time here they were following each other around because there was rubber down on the track. A tire rule would be nice, compression rule would be nice so they dont have to freshen up the moter after 3 races.

Two race's a week, same track!

Spectaters required to buy one ticket for both night's.

0to11 free, 12to21 and seniors, 15.00, 22 and over 35.00. need to get young people to the race's.

25,000 to win the feature, and 25,000 payed back threw the rest of the feature.

where doe's this money come from?, not the race track!

The people that run the WoO getting off there ass's and finding some big time sponsors.

What the hell companies piss millions down the drain on ass car.

Shit for these guy's to go out and spend the money they do, travel the way they do, for the chance to win 10 grand.

That don't pay for rolling the car's out of the trailer.

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Your last sentence contains the solution. Infact, if you fix the tires the motors will take care of themselves. Thats not to say that an open motor rule wouldn't be an even bette solution.

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I am not trying to be an ass, but that purse you cited doesn't work at all. Twenty-five grand for the last 23 spots in the feature? With that purse, you are either paying $2,000-$2,500 for second or $300-400 to start. Neither of which would get teams up and down the road.

If it is that easy to find "big-time sponsors," don't you think the WoO would already have them? You are actually comparing NASCAR to the Outlaws in terms of exposure? Whether you like NASCAR or you don't, every race is carried live on television and watched by millions of fans. From dealing with Northeast DIRT Modified teams, I can tell you as a fact that many companies are not even willing to talk about a sponsorship proposal unless there is substantial television coverage of the series and hard numbers relating to how many people tune in to see that series on television.

The annual "this is the final year for the WoO series" thread. Anyway, the Outlaws are back in "no empty seats territory" this weekend. The Minot and Grand Forks,ND grandstands and bleachers will be jam packed, as usual on Fri & Sun. Grand Forks has two dates this year and with Minot building a brand new $15 million grandstand this winter---two Minot WoO dates will follow. Fargo's high-banked half mile will not be full on Sat. Cars get too spread out during heat races. P.S. It pays $3000 to finish 10th at Knoxville on Saturday nights? Wow!

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I just thought of something else, better televised races. I know you can't control the action on the track but be smarter about the races you televise. Why put two races from the dirt track at Lowe's motor speedway on t.v.? There isn't a strong regional group located by that track, so why place two races on there? It looks better to go over to Williams grove, Knoxville or Chico where you get 40 cars.

12 full time teams isn't exactly what us fans like to see. We like to see more teams traveling with the Outlaws, however, with the lower full time teams it leaves the door open for alot more local teams to make the feature and a better chance of local teams to travel more because they know that their chance of making the feature is alot better than when their are 20 full time travelers. Remember two years ago when we started out with 30+ teams running fulltime? Granted only 21 made it to the season finale but around 25 made it to almost all the shows. You think local teams are going to travel when the A feature will probably be ALL Outlaw teams?

I can't remember what year it was, I want to say 2005?, that the Outlaws had 7 full time travelers(Schatz, both Kinsers, Lasoski, Sides, Meyers, Dollansky i think).... sure makes 12 look like alot.

Freshing up the motors takes alot of money and teams (mainly KKR and TSR) are doing testing and spending alot of money on R&D. Teams never use to spend the money on R&D and now days in sprint car racing if you don't have the Bass Pro Shops, DirecTV, Quaker State, ArmorAll, Budweiser sponsorship... where are you going to get the money to test and keep yourself competitive with those big money teams? Yes, your team owners may be wealthy (Madsen, Bruce, Hillier, Rudeen) but your time out on the road will never last as long as the big money teams. To run the Outlaws fulltime and be competitive plan on spending $1M a year... at least. Who knows how much the big sponsors are pumping into the KKR and TSR teams each year.

3,000 for 10th? how can that be when it's 3,000 to win?

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I guess some folks have not been paying attention...the economy STINKS. GM and Chrysler are bankrupt, businesses are shut down accross the country, and unemployment nationally is approaching 10%.

NASCAR is struggling to fill the seats, with over 30,000 unsold yesterday at Michigan, and start and park teams are appearing at every race....a top heavy purse will not increase WoO car counts, either. If and when the pols get the economy straightened out, WoO car counts will improve. But you cannot blame the poor car count on the WoO format or product.

I wasn't going to buy a flatscreen TV when they cost $1000 for a 32" screen; but last week, I spent $400 for one. It's just a case of how much you're willing to spend, whether it's on a TV or a race.....If you've been around watching the WoO for a while, you can recall when they had 5 or 6 travelers......

Chuck.....

The only way sprint car racing is going to be big time is by paying out big time money!

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For the first 15-20 years, the WoO only brought 8-10 cars. I hardly think 12 is the end of the world. Plus, Sammy, McCarl, and Kaeding seemingly run 70% of the time with them anyway. Bottom line is, can they draw the fans and it seems like they still do, and as long as that's the case, there'll always be a WoO.

$15 million grandstand? How big is it geez.

Grand Forks is a lightning FAST track and will be packed like always this weekend! Action all over the track and everyone in attendance will be in for a great show.

It seems to me one of the reasons NASCAR has success is they listen to their fans and

when things need changed they don't wait and wait to make the decisions they do it

right away. I can't remember the outlaws making a large rule or format change recently

and I hope they don't wait until its too long. Everyone is making sacrafices in this

economy the Outlaws should to.

-Austin Rankin

I cannot speak for anyone buy myself. I have been watching northeast dirt racing for 30 years. The one thing that p*** me off is that you go to see "The Greatest Show on Dirt", more like follow the fastest guy. The greatest thing about dirt racing in the north east is the fact that the fastest guy starts deep in the field, not 2nd. if the Outlaws want to put on "The Greatest Show on Dirt" than put the fast guys into the pack not in the top six. In the past three years I can say that I have watched steet stock races that have been better than the Outlaws.

Concerning the WoO format, even our beloved King voiced his concern two years ago and what has changed...

"The call was wrong, but the worst part was that it put me in the back of the feature, where a good percentage of the time, you're going to have an issue come up when you're just trying to get by people. Not only did it take me out of a chance to even win the race, but it tore up a good race car of mine with little time to work on it and fix it."

"The night was taken clear out of our hands by a bad call from an official. I really can't blame the officials, even though an official can actually ruin your whole night. The format is the biggest cause of it, it's not the officials. There was a mistake made tonight, but the format is the biggest part of that mistake."

"The whole format is just a terrible format and I don't know who is dreaming some of this stuff up, including some of these rules and such. I've tried to keep my mouth shut all year. It's just a little aggravating that over the years I've worked so hard to try and support sprint car racing, and the World of Outlaws, and it has turned into a little bit of a joke with the way it has been ran. I hate to say it, but I am going to say it. I'm probably going to regret saying it later, but it's the way it is."

Steve Kinser, after an issue with an Officials call at Cottage Grove Speedway, August 29th, 2007 finally brings Kinser to address the issue publicly with a statement on his web site.

That's what I was thinking. Port Royal built a 9,000 seat aluminum grandstand with backrests about 5 or so years ago for a little over a million.

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