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Maybe it's like one those TV program's, when pets go bad. Did you see where that Chimpanzee was drinking wine and hanging out with humans, you know, making bad choices. Boy, that Chimp really went off the deep end, didn't he?

Of course they had to negotiate with USAC, but do you think that put him over the top? They (USAC) sure have gotten me rilled up a few times, but geeezz, that's been happening for many many years, no news there.. Disgruntled employee's, vengeance!..Now that's better...It seems like logical reasoning to me, but you really shouldn't be starting rumours about a sexual harassment case. You know how easily things can get distorted on a forum.

Just wondering. I brought that post of Robbie's over here from his Forum because it's starts out with a good idea and has some rational thought's. You apparently just signed up to reply to that particular post, and put in a bid to do some work with your trucking co on the new project out on the reservation and of course, complain about the county.. Maybe you should have went over to Robbie's web site and his forum to make sure he read it. Oh!! I'm sure you will be pleased to know that Nathen won out at Canyon last night and oh yes, nice to have you as a active member of the forum.. Be carful about those rumors though, some people have a way of twisting things around.

Ken Clever

Prescott AZ

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

Maybe he got better Trip? I hear they have a new antidote for that Mr Righteous disease.

Kenny

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

Let's focus on what we have.... What we have is the last race at Manzy on April 11th... It's gonna be a party... Sure, it will be sad, it will hurt... But we have had many years of what many other people never had the opportunity to experience...

I would like to see this made into a huge event... Sell the reserved seats so those that have had those seats are guaranteed a place.. Sell them for $25.00 and GA for $20.00. Before people go up in arms about this, turn ALL the gate $$ into the purse... Make this a huge paying event.. Let's bring the best drivers in the country to Manzy for 1 last shot... Who wouldn't love to see the locals as well as maybe guys like Hockett, Casey Shuman, Little Bit, and all the others that seem to show up for the 360's at the Western... While I am saddened by this, it would be fitting for the last race to be the best one ever... A donnybrook, a battle royal, a ding-wa-diddy and all those other phrases from Windy that we have loved all these years... To hear one last time a breathless Windy say "If you didn't like that, you don't like sprint car racing"....

It is what it is and bashing the owner and buyer will not change a thing, so why not make the absolute best of it... I have been going to Manzy since I was a little one, 1962... I learned about sprints cars and dirt track racing in general at Manzy... Great memories and countless fun times, that is what I will always remember about the famed oval...

Just my thoughts.....

My apologies, Grady. Just got off the horn with the Martin’s spokespersons. They assured me they sold the track out of the goodness of their hearts and their love for dirt racing. They did want to pass along a thank you for personally defending them against the type of people (like me) who would be critical of their tactics. Also, said you don’t get a dime of the profits.

Everything you know is wrong.

Your sarcasim is houmorous, I guess from your stand point everybody in racing should bash the Martins for "their tactics" I just don't see it your way and if you are going to write something about an emotional subject as this one why don't you make sure of your facts before you post them. Why not look at all sides not just from your standing, 35th Ave and Broadway bad location, smell from the animal waste processor drifts over almost every race, buildings and facilities that are past their prime, attendance that keeps going lower, no resturants in the area, no hotels in the area. I could go on but I'm sure you only want to play the blame game and not look at all aspects of whats happening so you go ahead and put hate in your soul. Profit is not a ditrty word in my world, sorry.

Grady

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Grady, don't you think my thoughts have merit about how he could have possibly made more $, a larger "capital gain", by offering it to the racing community... Or do you think he was just being thoughtful of their well being, and didn't want to put that broken down joint as you describe it (the track he felt was worthy of a lot of major improvements, a very very short time ago), into their pea brained hands? You know, he was selling it to the Crane co to save them from themselves.

I had this thought, of course you guy's know me and some of you are thinking Oh no! when will he shut up..LOL but here go's....Actually if you look at it from afar, some of you sound like character witness at a trail, telling the court what a good boy he'd been before the incident, and he was justified, because the victim wasn't worth a hoot anyway.

Kenny

P.S. and remember what you said on the ABC forum Grady "always think of this great track with positive thoughts." not the pissy hole you discribed above, right?

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

No Kenny he was justified because it is his property, not mine, not yours, his and his alone, if any of the post I made are wrong please tell me which one is and I will correct it. The positive thoughts are of the racing that I watched on that track and the people I have met not the conditions around the facility. I belive that another track will come from this and I think that to bash Martins is wrong, but what do I know compared to people that only want to vent and make threats.

Grady

PS : Next time a track owner decides to sell his property I will try to notify you so you and your cohorts can come up with the millions it takes to buy property these days.

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Don't duck Grady, it's not becoming. You just seem one way about Manzy one minute, and then bad mouthing it the next. You know, making excuses it what it sounds like. It might just be me, I'm sure no one else see's it that way.LOL

OK, again, and purely in a hypothetical and business way.."Grady, don't you think my thoughts have merit about how he could have possibly made more $, a larger "capital gain", by offering it to the racing community". You seem to be his spokesmen, so I'm sure Mel wouldn't mind.

If you are accusing me of making threats to anyone Grady, you are way out of line. That's not a threat, I promise.

Kenny

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

Not bad mouthing just stating facts, here let me say it again just for you the place has out lived its usefulness and there are better places in the valley to have a track.That in no way means that during its day the history that was made there should be diminished, no excuses the man has a right to do with his property anything lawful he chooses to whether you like it or not. Second question no, and I'm pretty sure he can speak for himself. Not accusing you Kenny but the constant bashing has caused some not so stable people to say things that are way off base. IMO if you can't say something good don't say anything at all.

Grady

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Due to medical problems, I haven't been able to attend an event at Manzanita for over two years. The last event I would have attended would have been an SCRA 410" non-wing sprint show.

When I arrived at Manzanita the last time, I was surprised to see the housing encroaching on the speedway to the south. At that time, I concluded that it was only a matter of time before the racing "grim reaper" would do away with another track.

I'm surprised that it's not a housing development that is going to claim Manzanita but a storage yard for cranes or whatever.

My first trip to Manzanita (from Los Angeles) was in the 1980s for a CRA show. I can vividly remember that it was in the middle of the "monsoon season" and lightning was flashing all around the facility. Racing came to a sudden end that evening when the skies opened up.

I've been to Manzanita on numerous occasions, especially since moving to Tucson from Los Angeles in 1984. First Ascot and now Manzanita. Looking at the houses that are encroaching on the USA Race Park track here in Tucson (notwithstanding its close proximity to the airport, a landfill, and a fertilizer manufacturer, one has to wonder how long it will be before that venue disappears as well.

Tucson Osty

Don't put words in my mouth Grady, I don't like it...If it was such a loosing and doomed enterprise from the beginning, maybe you should have advised, NO! maybe somebody should have advised Mel not to put all that money into all those upgrades the last two years. I know, it's his money and if he wanted to just play around with it like that and give people hope, who's to knock it, right?

Here's a little story I made up, it's not right, but it's funny, in a weird sort of way.

A self righteous man from the forum was laying in the street, mangled by a bus he had just stepped right out in front of. I kneel down to him and ask him why? Why did you step right out in front of that bus, you could see it coming.. His final dying words were, but BIGFISH I was right, the light was green.

Can't help it Grady, ever since I was a kid I've alway's wondered why adults do such stupid things, and being right, is not always the way to go, right?

Kenny

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

Ta ta,

A not so stable person

Everything you know is wrong.

 "A not so stable person" There is something that I agree with.

Grady

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You may not believe this but I don't think Mel needs anyone to advise him where to invest his money, he has done pretty good on his own.

Grady

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I don't know Grady, it makes no sense from a business standpoint to put a piece of property like that up for sale without having the racing community in the mix. I'm no rocket scientist and even wallscraper, who is a self proclaimed "A not so stable person", and I can see that, but we're in no positions to judge his competency at the time of the sale, right? Are you a personal friend of his, an acquaintance, or possibly just a admirer from afar? Do you think he's lost his touch, or what?

So what do you think will happen to our boy's if Keith Hall gets USA back in a court ruling next week, and then Keith throws ASCS out on their butt's for business reasons or just because he dislikes them..he doe's, you know... If he did that, it would have to be right, right? Because it would be his track to do with what ever way he choose. See how well you've taught me Grady.....I know, waaaaaaay to much .....plan old black and white, right or wrong gets complicated at times, doesn't it?

Kenny

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

Peanuts popcorn cracker jacks.....

Peanuts popcorn cracker jacks.....

Peanuts popcorn cracker jacks.....

Just wondering how likely it is for an owner to put a property on the market, accept an offer to sell the property the same day, and close the deal the next day, thus preventing the owner of said property from informing others as to their intentions.

Question: Wonder how far back the Manzanita Speedway owners decided to shop for buyers?

Question: Wonder how far back negotiations between the previous Manzanita Speedway owners and the current buyer have been taking place?

Question: Wonder if the previous owners informed any of the organizations whose 2009 racing schedule included Manzanita Speedway of their intentions to sell the race track, either at the time they made the decision to put Manzanita Speedway on the market, or any time up to the actual sale?

Question: Were there intentions to sell, or sale negotiations taking place at the same time previous Manzanita Speedway owners were discussing 2009 schedule options with racing organizations?

Question: Wonder what the negative impact is on racing organizations who relied in good faith on Manzanita Speedway being in operation throughout the 2009 season? Negative impact on local businesses? On fans who had planned trips around attending Manzanita programs? On racers? Sponsors?

There should be some authority figure here on the board, (self-appointed or otherwise), who can put these nagging questions to rest. Personally, I wouldn't want to speculate without having the facts.

Anyone?

Everything you know is wrong.

I hesitated to get in the midst of a pi**ing match between you gentlemen, but just can't help myself.  Everyone has an opinion- I respect that.  Here is what I know from information from both a Manzy employee who is a  friend who I have never known to gossip or lie and from a car owner who talked directly to Mel Martin. The employees were told, as was Bobby Martin, in a meeting last week, they had no inkling before.  Mr. Martin has had a standing offer from Southwest Industrial Rigging, ( not Southwest Crane, so please don't call, boycott, harass these people).  Mr. Martin did not even consider putting the sale out for offers from anyone in the racing community because 'the offer was so good, didn't think about it'.  The sale had nothing to do with residental incroachment, dust complaints, noise complaints, smell from the dump, etc.  Grady, I think the area has improved from when I first started going in the 70s, not nearly as early as you I'm sure- and who smells the dump/animal stuff when that methanol starts filling the air??  (my feeble attempt to lighten things up)  You are right that it probably was a matter of time.  But it did not have to be this time.

I will not speculate as to what Mr. Martin's reason for this.  I do not wish to hear, however, how much he has done for the racing community.  That was then.  Right now, I along with other fans, car owners, drivers, sponsors feel betrayed and fluctuate between being sad and just downright mad.  It did not have to be this way.

To me the issue people have mostly is that sure if you own something its your right to sell it.But the issue was the fact that people who spent their hard earned money into new cars,motors etc... were mislead into thinking the race track was to be open all year..and the bottom line is thats just not right to mislead so many. and thats just a bigger problem into what is going wrong in this country.People just dont seem to be very loyal or honest anymore..Kinda like what USAC did to Tony and others..Your a idiot if you believe that the Martins were not already trying to sell this track even last year.A sale this big does not happen overnight.

I've got a different thought about all of this - What about Joe Kimbro? He's got to be pissed right about now. He was the guy who silently owned the track for most or all of the time that Keith ran the track. He sold it not because he needed the money but because he was sick of dealing with Keith's stuff and didn't want to run it himself. He could easily have sold it to Southwest but took less money from the Martins because he wanted it to remain a racetrack and felt they would be good stewards. I have a feeling that Joe would have rather just given the track to Keith and continue to race than see this happen to it. I suspect Joe got screwed because he took someone for their word.