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State Fair Speedway and Lawton officials have implemented a NEW Cone shaped Muffler for all classes for the 2009 season which can only be purchased from the Track or one other vendor.

What in the world was wrong with the current mufflers. This is clearly a blatant attempt to force racers to spend more $$$$$.

I'm sorry, but I do not see where the CONE shaped baffle will make a whole Hell of lot of difference, and how many other Tracks across the country are running the cone deal.

This is where I draw the line. Promoters should be responsible for drawing a crowd, making sure that people in the Grandstands get their monies worth. Weather that be a fair price for admission, fresh made Popcorn, or a .50 cent Dr Pepper at the concession stand that is, the promoters choise.

What I don't get is how the Promoter of any track can set the rules for his/her own track. Seems to me if the Rule Book were more inline with all tracks and/or all sanctioning bodies we would have a better car count at all tracks, and save the competitors (racers) a lot of money.

I apologise up front if I have offended anyone, But lets get our S#@! together and be united in what WE DO. That is RACE under the same rules and policies abroad.

It makes me really mad because we just now got to where we had spare mufflers for dad and I, and now we have to go spend $140 on the new ones. Congrats on the extra $10 a racer Lanny and Smiley's, maybe with the extra $10 we'll actually be able to tech people, have a decently prepared race track, buy some transponders, or raise the purse...right. What a time to do this, while everyone is short on money you might as well make them spend more right?

Just think, it's not even a week before racing yet. Knowing the promotor we'll end up switching heads. That way we'll have to buy the heads and new headers along with the mufflers.

Also, does this new muffler ruling apply to ASCS. If not how can it be possible for the ASCS to run at SFS or Lawton without being illegal "Noise Wise".

I am calling Mr.Edwards out on this. And you all know me, I'm an A#* and I will get to the heart of this. There is absolutly no reason what-so ever to change the muffler ruling at the last minute.

I expect that a maximum dba noise level is mandated by law or agreement at SFS and Lawton and it's probably somewhere around 90 db's. Therefore it shouldn't make any difference what muffler type you run as long as your car is at or below the level. Even home made systems should be allowed if they pass the test. It sounds like it's time for drivers/owners to make a stand. Good luck

WaDo, Roger

Wow. That's all I can say at this moment.

IT'S CALLED LANNY'S WORLD!!!!!!!!

 Randy       

       DIRT TRACKIN
"When it's wet slide it in"

The midget should have just kept doing whatever he's been doing the last couple years and let the car counts keep dropping and pretty soon the noise problem would fix it self. No cars = No noise.

"They're steering them sum bi***es with their right 
foot!"

I hate to defend anything that Lanny does but if you look at the 2009 muffler rules for all classes, he is giving you the option of either last year's old three ring insert type of muffler OR the new cone type. Either one is acceptable. If you still have the ones you ran last year, run'em. Nothing will be said and you're perfectly legal, that is if he doesn't change his mind.

Everyone needs to take a deep breath, chill-out and let the dirt fly.

That's better.

BEFORE LANNY EDWARDS- Uncle a and I were in the 6 banger class 20 years ago thereabouts when they first came in with the muffler idea from what I can remember. Those V-6 engines JUST PRIOR to those years were hard to take under the grandstand! Jerry Hailey for one, would hurt your ears with the pitch from his headers combined with the metal roof. The EPA was looking for something to keep themselves busy, I'm sure there was more to it, but still the EPA was outside monitoring noise levels. The rules then stated Supertrapp mufflers only, yet I had an old fashioned Loback muffler setup that might have been quieter than Supertrapps. What you have and what the rules are designed to do are two different things----Translation is part of the process.

Before one person gets on here to jump on Uncle a, ----Keep in mind it is forums like this where the issues CAN get sorted out alot quicker . We get things straightened out through hoseheads a lot quicker than the "grapevine+time" approach BEFORE the web days. In the years before, an issue like this could go on for weeks, this issue is sorted out by noon. Someone was going to bring it up.

Uncle a is just looking out for you guys. Lanny is giving a new option. -settled

All that it will take is a little dyno time by someone Wesmar , Boyd , Brand or whoever and if the new cone mufflers pulls better numbers , there will be no option , you'll have to buy the new Cone Muffler ,Isn't that the saying "Monkey see Monkey do" , be curious to see what difference there might be from the old one to the new one.

Be interesting to hear Kelly Westphal from Wesmar say on this when he has done some pulls with each set of Mufflers on a motor.

This maybe an attempt to provide a more durable muffler than the POS 3 ring mufflers. We would go through about two sets of those a season as they would break around the welds. Also when they break they wedge in there a way so that it restricts flow greatly. I know that a few feel that this caused some damage to their motors. If were were going to run sfs much I know i would go with the cone mufflers.

The 3 ring muffler is junk.  They are nothing but a problem.  Most of the modified guys were blowing them apart every 3 races.  The cone muffler is 10 times better than that 3 ring hunk of crap.  Lets do some math 1 set of vortec cone mufflers 35+35= 70$ .  3 ring muffler 25+25= 50$.  After you blow out 2 sets then it equals 100$ more on top of the original set.  The cone muffler will save you money in the long run.

Someone must have brought it up to Lanny. When I met him last fall at Smileys by chance just before the Winternat's, he was looking at mufflers on the shelf.

Not being up on todays mufflers, I'd still guess they were inserts somewhat like a cone. I've slept since then, but I do know he was looking at muffler inserts.

Neither dad or I have blown one of those old mufflers out. We've both had the same 2 pairs since we started running them. Yes, I know, I don't get to race alot, but dad hasn't missed a night in 3 years. If we're going to a better muffler then go to the Shoenfield. You know the one that EVERYWHERE ELSE runs. If it's so bad with the mods, then let the mods get new ones. No need to make everyone. This is just a way to make more money. And as much hp as that old muffler kills there is no chance it will be able to make as good of dyno numbers as the new one. Believe me I hope it does, but I don't see it.

I've heard of people blowing out the old three ring style muffler, but just to add a little more fuel to the fire, check out the difference between the three ring style muffler that Smileys sell and the three ring mufflers that Bishop Racing sells. I think you will see a quality difference. I suspect the Smileys muflers are manufactured off shore somewhere. I'll let you decide.

It would be interesting to poll the people that had trouble with the three rings blowing out as to where they purchased them. Lets hear from everybody that has had problems and then pass judgement. JMO

According to the Day Motorsports catalog, the cone muffler only reduces dbs by 1-3. With that small of a drop, what's the sense of even using it. Does anyone know what the db reduction numbers are on the three ring style?

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The Bishop 3 ring mufflers are a lot better quality than the Smileys, but there were still some failures of the Bishop mufflers in the modifieds.

If you will go to the rules page you will find this:"Custom Craft Muffler / Insert or Cone Muffler - 3 1/2 in. maximum" So good news you do not have to buy new mufflers! Lanny is giving you a choice as was stated above! Therefore if you do not like the 3 ring style you can use the Cone style or if you have the 3 ring style and do not wish to purchase the cone style you do not have too! Everyones a winner in this deal, I know its rare when dealing with Lanny but for once a rule that makes sense.

My point exactly. Thanks for the feedback. Anyone else???

GOOD JOB LANNY. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK . I DONT CARE FOR ALL THE NOISE AT MY HOUSE..

How can you here it at your house when you are at the track every week?