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Did anyone happen to see McClaskeys car before him and the 3 car got together, both sides were caved in and the front bumper was folded over the hood. Maybe he ran over the 3 and maybe he didnt, but he had been taking a beating all night and kept goin. Frustration sets in on all drivers when their car is being destroyed.

If anyone has any officiating questions they can come see me or OKCFan12. We know everything and we never leave the grandstand so we see everything too. We're the best!

"They're steering them sum bi***es with their right 
foot!"

Can I do the same with driving and set-up advice?

I have been reading alot about what happened at BMS Saturday night in the FS race. It is really unfair to criticise the track officials for judgement calls, we all have alot of money in our cars and don't want them tore up by rough driving. At first I was really upset that the #30 car got into me into turn 1-2, but after the fact I realize it was just a racing deal. Colt and I are both rookies and are still learning alot. We were both driving over our heads too early in the race. After the race, I talked to the their crew and it's no big deal, no hard feelings on my part. The track officials do the best they can, and they have alot going on. What's great about Brill's, if you have a problem with a call or anything really, you can actually go talk to Mark himself and he'll tell you how it is, whether you like it or not. That is why I respect those guys alot, they aren't going to sugar coat it. I have got black flagged once earlier this year, for getting into the #72, and didn't think I deserved it, but after looking at the tape, I should have gotten black flagged 2 laps earlier. It's getting late in the season, and we are all battling for points. This stuff is going to happen..

I think Randy Bailey is a heck of a racer but I wouldn't say he never touched him. From where I was sitting it looked to me that when he made the pass, he door slammed McClaskey and knocked him off his line, coming out of turn three. It looked like it was just hard racing... but none the less, it didn't look like a clean pass.

McClaskey just returned the favor by sending him around coming out of turn 4.

McClaskey is usually a pretty clean driver. Like Papa Smurf said he had a rough night. He couldn't seem to catch a break. He was caught up in several incidents that were out of his control. Maybe Bailey's "clean pass" was just the staw that broke the camels back.

Just my $0.02.

I like dirt!

Now thats no way to be. What is evry body goin to argue about? Thats pretty selfish if you axe me.

Did I say I was critising the officials calls? NO! I said the black flags at tracks are getting out of hand. I didn't single out any track, I just pointed out that the black flags are almost out of control at the tracks in this state I have been too.

Of course, you all just read into what you want to read.

The racing was good and hard, the way it should be on a dirt track. Probably the best modified feature I have seen in awhile. Sprints still scare me on that track though but hey, sprint cars are sprint cars.

And NO, I am not blasting Brill's one bit as a whole - or at all really. Just the black flag usage. I know there are some of you "do-gooders" and "tattle-tells" on here so I do hope and trust since you told Mark what my topic is that you will also go to him and tell him that I am not singleing his track out, just black flags in general.

And I know just the amount about dirt track racing as you all do and those who bash me for what I see. It is kind of funny a person has a perciption, has an opinion and is bashed but those who also post have an opinion about what a person posts then it is okay.

Again, not bashing Brill's, just the black flag at tracks I have been to in this state. And I am not a two-track frequenter. Just make sure you make that clear that I am not attacking Brill. But I don't think you all have the "want to" to make that clear.

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

Mr. Smith I don't know you and have never met you, but think that you have a very good thing going with this forum. This is my first year in dirt track racing, and I hope you didn't get the wrong impression from what I was trying to say. I wasn't responding to your post specifically. It was just my opinion with what has been going on with the black flags at BMS and at SFS. I apologize if you took it the wrong way. Also, by no means am I a tattle tail or whatever you were referring to earlier. I agree with you about the black flag deal, that's all I was trying to say. I was just trying to make it clear that I have no hard feelings with the #30 car. I love racing with the guys at BMS...Chad Weber, Holly, Brian....at least I don't get on here with some ridiculous screen name and post crazy things..hope to see you at BMS in the future..

Curt McLane #23

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Almost 900 views and nearly 30 posts. We couldn't get this kind of publicity if we paid for it!!!

I'm still not convinced the black flags are being overused, though I am convinced that David thinks so.

I still don't think McClaskey got screwed. And I appreciate that David gives us a place where I can say so.

I don't know which car your talking about jumping the start, Andy, but I can tell you this, the following people have been black flagged and or DQ'd in the FS division at BMS. Curt McLane, Brian Wolfe, Johnny Reed, Jr., Brian Stinson. These ar ethe ones I can think of for sure. Holly Williams got "a serious conversation " with the officials. I could be wrong but I think Chad Weber and Justin Tucker have also gotten at least warnings, if not blacks. My point???? Whoever told you that is wrong NO ONE at BMS is treated special; from the former champ, to the current points leader. We may be accused of being overly aggressive with the blacks, but we REALLY try to be fair. And no one is "special".

I have seen many black flags,Once was the only time it was needed, I did earn it.Loose the black ones.

Steve Moyer CKS Fabrication & Welding                  
CKS Chassis                                            
I want my last words to be "damn this is fun"

Hey Moyer how about we buy a black flag for the announcer since he likes them so much and he can stand in his yard and wave it at the speeders on his block. At least then we know its legite for sure cause i hate people that speed in neighborhoods. Hell he can even stand in my yard and wave it.

dave i can kind of relate to those frustrations. i personally think the problem is systemic. for something that is so relative - there sure isnt a lot of effort made to come up with relatively uniform rules at all tracks - and those who do have trouble enforcing them. i hate to say this - but i think it has to do with CONTROL. some abuse it worse than others - but how many places have taken advantage of not having uniform rules - clear cut black and white? hell take a good look at lanny - not until late in the season did they check anything - and even then it was half assed and probably just an attempt to give the illusion of doing the right thing.......hell before he got the urge to check anything - he was telling people you couldnt legally challenge other drivers.

i'm not downing brill or any other track really. its just - why not put more effort out there to educate your officials AND drivers so that this at least wouldnt be so much a problem. i can see from their point of view too. they make judgement calls - and they have to trust their judgement. where it pisses people of is when multiple drivers are doing the same illegal things whatever they are - but only 1or 2 get singled out for it. this happens to much - and helps in ways to fuel the image dirt track racing cant seem to shake as being ONLY a good ol' boy sport......... ok sorry - neither here nor there,

what i compare the black flag to - is the horrific systemic problem the NCAA has thrust upon college football - yeah I'm talking about these bullshit celebration calls. for one they are trying to fix something that is not broken. its obvious when celebration goes too far - and it really doesnt happen as much as we think. when washington tied byu last week at the end of the game - the guy who got the TD was so elated - he just threw the ball straight up - it didnt hit anyone - was no harm or insult to anyone - but they then got flagged - which turned the extra point into a long field goal - that was blocked - and they lose by 1 point. i saw this in at least 3 other games saturday - and once sunday. i'm all for flagging for unsportsmanlike conduct calls - when they make sense. when you lay someone out and then menacingly stand over em talkin crap - yeah thats unsportsmanlike. as is late hits as stuff too. but i dont think i agree with excessive celebration calls one bit. becaue for one they are usually not excessive - and 2 - if it isnt insulting to the other team - if it isnt done in a way to taunt the other team - it shouldnt be a foul. i think the ncaa pretty much just found a way to screw things up a little more. taking a big step back. they have taken a few forward with replays and stuff - but it seems every offseason they try HARD to make major changes - and this time they screwed with something that was not broken. football by nature is a hellishly intense sport - when these guys make a play that may decide the game and even their season - as long as they dont clearly taunt and insult the other team - dont take that away from em/

but yeah i think that problem is the same as the way the black flag gets used at many tracks. the problem is systemic. under the way they do it now - it allows for an excessive amount of unreasonable bonehead calls to be made - and that is something this sport definitely doesnt need any more of.

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WOW! Been busy and I come back to find this. What David is saying is really simple to understand.

I'm not targeting Brills either as I have never been there, and I really don't think David was either. Strikes me more that he's saying that it's a problem at all tracks.

It seems some tracks are having a hard time knowing the difference between normal racing and the take you out hits. When you have cars running close together, sure there will be some rubbing and banging into one another. That's normal and I think we can all agree on that point. It's when they keep pushing against someone without letting up, pushing at there left rear quarter panel or slamming hard enough into the back of someone for no reason, then it gets questionable if not obvious of the intentions.

What does it really matter at this point to start arguing anyway as most of the tracks seasons are over or soon to be. Track promoters shouldn't get mad either, but take the criticism to help make changes to make their tracks even better for drivers and fans both.

Christina
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Well heres my two cents I have raced there at meeker and sometimes the only way around a car is to door slam them. Because its a small race track, small tracks are like that. But if you do it and you get black flagged well thats racing on small tracks to. I do believe we have a problem with black flags at the race tracks here. Ada dont never use them though. Mark and his crew are doing pretty good job, the announcer dude seems to be a little obsess with mark and dont really like people including david talk about Marks race track. But i like that little ole race track.

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Brandon,

yeah you can come see me for driving advice. From the stands it looks really easy and I'm sure I could win every week with my expert knowledge.

"They're steering them sum bi***es with their right 
foot!"

You want good eyes on the track and fair flaggin, Get Raymond form the Lawton track. he sees everything and half the time he's wondering what the hell is the "real flagman" is thinking. Raymond is sharper than any other flagman I've seen in the state and I don't think he really gives a shit who's giving the orders.

O. K. Hold on!! Giant mis-conception on what a black flag is used for. In the 80's Bud Carson gave me a big lesson on this. According to USAC at that time, the black flag was NOT a dis-qualifaction flag; it is a consultation flag, which is why it's waved for cars smoking, flat tires; etc. Car goes to the pits for consultation, if the problem can be repaired, said car may re-join the race. Some officals did in fact use it as some-what of a "penalty" flag; driver is black flagged, goes to pit area for "consultation" & at that point is already laps down!!

Yeah we use the black a bit much these days, on the spot penalties or dis-qualifaction should be by the competition director; after consulting with flagman, corner workers etc.

that is exactly right.

"They're steering them sum bi***es with their right 
foot!"