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After last night is there any reason not to switch to ASCS rules next year. Merriman proved that a super sprint can run with an ASCS motor with small wing. If they are worried about it, change the motor rules and keep the small wings. I realise on a heavy track, that the super motor will be down. But the guys that run up front now either already have an ASCS motor or they can convert theirs. And guys like Cheese that build a new one every week can just order different pistons.( sorry cheese, that was funny) And if they went to the 5X5 wings it would give the 2 classes a different identity.

Now i know you wont agree with this David but i say take the wings off the Super Sprints and go to the ascs motor. The guys will still buy wings so they can run with the ascs guys when they are racing close to okc.jmo

That would be a hell of a show, bad for business, but still a hell of a show. I don't think it will ever happen though.

Money isn't everything, but it sure keeps your kids 
close!

I agree with you David it wont ever happen i just prefer non wing racing. You have very good points on the 2barrel class Greg that does make more sense. I would take the 2barrels non wing just to have a non wing class.

Money isn't everything, but it sure keeps your kids 
close!

IM always in for racing with you guys and dont forget we have Matt to think of also he showed a lot of potential for the little bit of racing he has done this year. I know you and Dee are very proud of them as you should be. So hell yea i will.

I use the same parts most of the time though! Except whatever I burn up that week.

Everyone that I talk to wants to go ASCS. If you can't afford to buy new the motor your are running right now will be a little underpowered but you could still compete until you could afford ASCS stuff. Hell I'm one of the guys that probably couldn't afford it and I still want to do it. The good news is that you could sell your old motor stuff to the champ guys.

ASCS with small wings (and hydraulic wing slider). The wave of the future at SFS.

I agree 100% ! I would love to see the Supers go to ASCS rules and the champs run wingless!

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NCRA runs ASCS rules. There are currently 13 ASCS regions. With an ASCS engine, you can run almost anywhere in the country under one set of rules, without making any changes to car, engine or tire rules. With Lanny's rules, you can run at the following tracks without making any changes: OKC, Devils Bowl, and I can't think of anymore. Lanny heads, Lanny mufflers, Lanny radios. Do you see a pattern here?

David and Cheese are 100% correct. Any owner or driver who wouldn't want to run ASCS rules at OKC just doesn't know whats going on. I am fortunate enough to own an OKC motor and an ASCS motor, but that doubles the maintenance costs. We ran the same car all season and changed motors about 10 or 12 times in order to run both series. It would be much easier on the whole team if we could just wash the car after an OKC race, load up and go to an ASCS race the next night.

Finally, try to explain the difference in the two sprint classes at OKC to a new fan or potential sponser. Wouldn't it be easier for them with big wing, little wing, or no wing? At least they could tell the cars apart by just looking at them without need of a complicated explanation about fuel injection vs carbs.

Come on Lanny, think about us, the car owner, the driver, the pit crew that works all night just to change engines so we can race somewhere else tomorrow night, think about the fans that are confused about the different classes that look exactly alike.

Wings are good for safety, speed, and sponsor billboards. They won't go away. Also, they seem to program a driver to go fast. I was under the assumption that wingless drivers were better when the wings came off, but there hasn't been a pattern of evidence to support this theory. Also if I had a kid in one of these cars, I'd want him to have a wing so he could have a better chance of going home in one piece.

16 races without wings would increase the chances of more cars and drivers being torn up. I LOVE WINGLESS, but reality is reality.

SFS without wings now and then, would be like an "unplugged" night for various bands. Just to mix things up, how's about a 'Wingless Night' every 4-5 races. Maybe just 2 times a year. But still it would show diversity and maybe be the hookup for bringing in a few more fans that haven't been around in a while. like me

Brain not calling you out by any means but what about in Indiana where most of the sprint classes are wingless. Also, and I know there is excemptions to every rule but what about the guys in NASCAR that came from sprints? They came all from wingless versions of sprint cars.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

I like Brian's idea of at least having 4 or 5 non wing nights a year. I could live with that. Rather see non-wing all year with the chamnps. The old non-wing class on the quarter didn't tear up anymore equipment than we do now....did anyone see Deveny's car? Thank god he had that wing lol.

"They're steering them sum bi***es with their right 
foot!"

Myself wouild like to see one class w/o wings the entire season. I know of at least two champ guys that might do an entire season without wings.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

Wingless in Indiana is a powerful tradition that not even a smart promoter would step on. Not sure if the emotions are as strong here. should be

Those Nascar guys came from USAC. They needed a place to go since the indycar owners turned their backs and ruined the series.

As an audience, we pay to see genuine American drivers compete in front engine, rear wheel drive cars. These guys were willing to work for a spot without the benefit of being born into a ride. Not all were naturals, but enough got the job done to get notice for our corner of the world.